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Senator ELLENDER. You have one at $9,000 to $12,000, and six at $7,000 to $9,000 plus?

Mr. HAMILTON. Yes, sir.

Senator ELLENDER. That constitutes the entire staff?

Mr. HAMILTON. Yes, sir.

Senator ELLENDER. That makes 18 altogether.

Mr. HAMILTON. That is correct.

Senator ELLENDER. With the total permanent number of employees

at 18.

Mr. HAMILTON. Right.

Senator ELLENDER. None of these funds would be used to pay for meetings, as you said, wherein these subcouncils are going to attend, except for those that are permanently employed?

Mr. HAMILTON. That is correct, sir.

RECRUITMENT

Senator MCCLELLAN. You don't have any people assigned to you now?

Mr. HAMILTON. I am drawing on the $50,000 from the President's Emergency Fund. People are coming on board as fast as we can get them.

Senator MCCLELLAN. You don't have any on loan from other agencies?

Mr. HAMILTON. No, sir. I have one full-time liaison representative who is at the moment doubling as executive secretary on assignment from the science and technology area of the National Bureau of Standards. We are concerned about maintaining what I would call command and control of the operation, if they are to be responsive to the industry people who are there.

I think they should be part of that operation and not dependent for their careers on others.

COUNCIL DURATION

Senator ELLENDER. How long do you think it will require to gather all this information? This is not a permanent organization.

Mr. HAMILTON. I wouldn't say it is a permanent thing. I would say if we have shown that we can make a significant contribution to clean up this way, we should have shown such progress certainly within 18 months.

I think at that point in time there will be an appraisal as to what the nature of the continuing activity should be. I expect it will become largely volunteer, but it could even conceivably be more intensive. I don't think anyone can predict this, however. Senator ELLENDER. Yours is primarily advisory?

Mr. HAMILTON. It is primarily advisory in two senses: One, to advise the President and Mr. Russell E. Train, Chairman, Council on Environmental Quality, where Government policies or programs are proposed as to whether they are going to work all right, from an industry standpoint, or are we being unsound in the way we are proposing something.

The second has to do with suggesting ways where if Government changed business might be able to do more.

Senator ELLENDER. All you do is point up the problems and leave it to industry to work it out?"

Mr. HAMILTON. Yes, except that we have picked people who are industry leaders. It is very clear already from our initial operations that when these men go back out into their normal world with their other hats on, important and different things start happening.

Senator MCCLELLAN. Thank you very much.

INTERNATIONAL ACTIVITIES

STATEMENT OF MARINUS VAN GESSEL, ACTING DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF INTERNATIONAL COMMERCE

ACCOMPANIED BY:

ROBERT MCLELLAN, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL
BUSINESS

PAUL E. PAULY, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF INTERNATIONAL
TRADE PROMOTION, BUREAU OF INTERNATIONAL
COMMERCE

CLARENCE S. SIEGEL, ACTING DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF INTERNA-
TIONAL REGIONAL ECONOMICS, BUREAU OF INTERNA-
TIONAL COMMERCE

DONALD S. GILPATRIC, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF FOREIGN COM-
MERCIAL SERVICES, DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL BUSI-
NESS

RICHARD M. GOTTFRIED, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF ADMINISTRA-
TION, DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
JOHN M. BATALLER, ACTING BUDGET OFFICER, OFFICE OF
ADMINISTRATION, DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL BUSI-

NESS

BUDGET REQUEST AND HOUSE ALLOWANCE

Senator MCCLELLAN. The next item for consideration is the funding for international activities.

The budget request for new obligational authority is $31,150,000. The House allowed $27,600,000, a reduction of $3,550,000.

AMENDMENT AND JUSTIFICATION

The Department is requesting restoration of $2 million in the salaries and expenses item. The amendment requested with supporting justification may be placed into the record.

(The amendment and justification follow :)

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HOUSE REPORT

Salaries and expenses.-included in the bill is the sum of $21,500,000 for promotion of the foreign commerce of the United States. This amount is a decrease of $3,550,000 from the budget estimate and is an increase of $1,665,000 over the appropriation for the currrent fiscal year including the $835,000 for increased pay costs in the Second Supplemental Bill, 1970, as passed the House. (For justification of Amendment No. 2, see page 1078.)

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