Aldrich, A. D., director, Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission. 2675 Beck, Arthur N., technical secretary, Alabama Water Improvement Commission. Bennett, Hon. Charles, U.S. Representative from the State of Florida.. Courtney, Carl, Lake and Sumter Counties Landowners Association. De Grove, John M., assistant professor, University of Florida...-- Gibbons, Samuel, Florida Waterways Committee_. Holland, Hon. Spessard L., U.S. Senator from the State of Florida. Kumpe, Col. George, executive director, West Coast Navigation District for 2682 2711 2713 2696 2753 2691 2729 2705 2707 2661 2757 2750 2727 Landrum, Ney C., Florida Shore and Beach Preservation Association. Lee, David B., director, Bureau of Sanitary Engineering, Florida Board of Health... 2763 2680 Leighton, Capt. Bruce G., chairman, Water Conservation Committee, 2761 McDaniel, W. Thad, president, Georgia Pulp & Paper Association. 2703 2686 Peterson, J. Hardin, Sr., West Coast Inland Navigation District.. 2727 Saunders, Harry H., vice president, St. Joe Paper Co., chairman, Florida 2698 Schull, Col. Herman W., chief engineer and general manager, Florida 2722 Snow, Gary E., president, Florida Association of Soil Conservation 2690 Stambaugh, Gleason N., Sr., chairman, Board of Commissioners, Florida 2725 Thomas, Robert, president, Florida Waterways Committee 2707 Toland, Henry, vice president, the Exchange National Bank, Tampa, 2765 Vernon, Robert O., Florida State geologist. 2670 Wakefield, John W., director, Department of Water Resources, Florida.. 2663 2745 Warrior-Tombigbee Development Association, Jack Warner, president. 2767 2765 2735 2759 2732 2660 2755 Zaun, Richard A., chairman, South Dade Water Control Committee__ 2741 -no.17 WATER RESOURCES THURSDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1959 U.S. SENATE, SELECT COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL WATER RESOURCES, Jacksonville, Fla. The select committee met at 9 a.m., pursuant to Senate Resolution 48, in the main ballroom, George Washington Hotel, Jacksonville, Fla. Committee members present: Senators Kerr (presiding), and Young of North Dakota. Also present: Senator Holland, Representative Bennett. Theodore M. Schad, staff director of the select committee, and Paul McBride, chief clerk. The CHAIRMAN. Our committee is very happy to be in Florida. When I came here I thought that Florida was the third largest State east of the Mississippi River. Your distinguished senior Senator has enlightened me in that regard and assured me that it is the second largest State east of the Mississippi River, and certainly a State abundantly blessed with almost limitless quantities of fresh water. You in Florida today are as much aware as are the people of any State in the Union-I say that here, but if I were a certain number of miles west I might say, "Except one," although you are certainly at least as aware as California-of the tremendous growth in the population of our country. The members of this committee are personally doing nothing about that at the moment. I want to say that I do not consider this population growth to be a pessimistic situation; however, with our country growing at the rate of 3 million people a year and going into a time when that increase will be much more, and with many of the areas of the Nation feeling the pinch of increasing shortages of fresh water, the Senate felt it was appropriate to make a thorough study of the water resources of our country. We hope to determine to the most accurate degree possible what the Nation's requirements will be in the two decades ahead, where the water is available with which to meet those requirements, and how it can be controlled and conserved in order that those requirements may be met. It has taken our country 352 years, figuring from Jamestown, and probably 414 years if we figured from St. Augustine-1545 you told me, did you not, Senator? Senator HOLLAND. 1565. The CHAIRMAN. 1565 and 394. Let's get that right. What is it, Milt? Senator HOLLAND. 394. The CHAIRMAN. You know, there must be an educated person out there to become a Nation of 178 million people. The exeprts in the Census Bureau tell us that that population is going to double in less than 40 years. We go out of this We go out of this year with a gross national production of nearly $500 billion. Industrial engineers confidently predict that the gross national product on the basis of today's dollar value will double in 20 to 25 years. It is our conviction that this tremendous upsurge in production, agricultural and industrial, will occur in the areas first where there is available fresh water, unpolluted fresh water, and second, where the natural resources are available on which industrialization is developed and the soil resources where agricultural production can be had. We are convinced that population growth will be in the areas where the water and the natural resources abound and the people vigorously take advantage of this tremendous opportunity by conserving, controlling, and having available for domestic, municipal, and industrial consumption these tremendously greater quantities of water. So we are glad to be in Florida, represented in the Senate by two of the most able men in the Senate. I said last night over at the meeting here of your local citizenswhere I more or less had to muscle my way to the speaker's table to be permitted to speak because you have a major general down here that does not believe in anybody speaking but himself that I was not going to admit something in Florida different from what I claimed in Oklahoma and that was that Florida has the two best Senators in the U.S. Senate. I hope I lost no position with you locally by declining to make such an admission. But I certainly do not know of but one State definitely and another one probably-I am not acquainted yet with the second Senator from North Dakota-that is as well represented in the U.S. Senate as Florida is. It was my privilege when I was Governor of Oklahoma to become very closely associated with your great Spessard Holland, then your Governor. He and some others of similar charitable mind and friendly thought were responsible for my being selected as chairman of the southern Governors' conference in 1944 and then again in 1945. When I went to the Senate I found that he had beat me there by some years due to the wisdom of the people of Florida. It has been my privilege to serve with him for many years on the Public Works Committee, and also with your junior Senator, on the Finance Committee. We are happy to be here. I am going to ask Senator Milton Young, of North Dakota, if he has anything to say, either to add to or detract from what I have said. STATEMENT OF HON. MILTON R. YOUNG, U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA Senator YOUNG. Thank you, Senator. I certainly would have nothing to say that would detract from what you have already said. It is a real pleasure for me to come here to Florida today to hear firsthand more about its vast water resources. I doubt if there is any State that has more water resources than the State of Florida. Many of them are already developed but there are many more to be developed. May I say that the parts that are not developed are not the fault of your Senators from Florida, and particularly your senior Senator. He has a way of presenting the cases for these water projects and he has a benefit cost ratio of 5 to 1, 4 to 1. We feel lucky if we have 1.05 to 1. I do not know how he builds up these figures, but he is bringing in some very worthy projects. In the future development of our Nation, I do not know of any thing that will play a more important part than development of our water resources. You in Florida are fortunate to be so richly endowed. I will be very interested in hearing the testimony today. The CHAIRMAN. I am not going to intimate it publicly, but the thought came to me while you were talking, Senator Young, that there is competition going on between Florida and California and neither one of them has underestimated their resources and neither one of them has ever underrated them that I have heard of. Now this committee has been to California and I might say to you, Senator Holland, that there we got what was purported to be the lowdown on Florida and of course while we are here, if in addition to giving the committee the benefit of your information with reference to Florida, I want you to know that it would not be inappropriate for you to give us the confidential information that you may have on California. It just may be, having come to both States, that we will be better informed with reference to the other one than we were when we left the other one. We are glad to be here with Congressman Bennett, also. Now we are going to hear any statement that Senator Holland has to make and then he will call on the witnesses that have been scheduled to appear before us. Senator Holland. STATEMENT OF HON. SPESSARD L. HOLLAND, U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA Senator HOLLAND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Senator Young, I will not endeavor to make any statement on my own accord about the resources of our great State because I think you are going to hear them declaimed to good advantage here by the witnesses from the various objectives, projects, and areas. I want to say how happy I am to have both of you Senators here. For the information of the Floridians, I want you to know that there are no two Senators in the Senate more devoted to the cause of development of natural resources, including water resources, than the two who honor us by the presence today. I happen to have served with both of them. In the case of Senator Kerr, as stated, in the Public Works Committee where he is now chairman of the Rivers and Harbors Subcommittee, that his leadership was recognized again by his being named as chairman of this select committee comprised of members not only from Public Works but from the Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs, the Interstate and Foreign Commerce Committee, and the Agriculture and Forestry Committee. It is good to have them coming here to hear about our water resources. In spite of the fact that we are celebrating our quadricentennial this year, Senator Kerr, we have not, in those 400 years, been able to develop all of the water resources of Florida. We hope to make |