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troducing to the notice of the House. He mitted to say, in explanation, as the hon. also doubted whether the petition ought member for Middlesex appeared to have to be received. It bore no date, and he misunderstood him, that he too wished hoped the hon. Member would be able to he people to come forward in a constitushow how it came into his hands.

tional manner in support of the Reform Mr. Hume said, that the House ought Bill, but not to send delegates at midnot to reject the petition merely because night to the noble Earl at the head of the it was contrary to the opinion of the House. Government, nor to address petitions to With respect to the observations made by that House couched in such improper and the hon. and learned member for Stafford, unconstitutional language as the petition he begged to say, being thus called upon, now presented to their notice. he believed the opinion expressed in that Mr. Freshfield could not let this opporpetition, to be the opinion of a large por- tunity pass without protesting against tion of the people of this country, namely, these constant allusions to the Bishops that the political power of the Bishops these attacks upon a portion of the Legisought to cease. He himself was of that lature, the existence of which was so deopinion. He was surprised that the hon. cessary to the support of the Constitution and learned Member should think that of the country. He could not avoid, too, that wish, as expressed in the petition, expressing his strong objection to the sort was a solitary wish, and that no part of of language held by the hon, member for the people of the country sympathised Middlesex, who, not content with saying with it. He was equally surprised that that the Bishops should not have voted. hon. Members should have said it was false against the Bill, actually seemed to supto state that the Bill was lost by the vote pose that they ought to have violated their of the Bishops, when it was clear that as consciences by voting in its favour. the majority against the Bill only amounted Colonel Evans said, that as the hon. to forty-one, and as twenty-one Bishops and learned member for Stafford had alhad voted against the Bill, the majority luded to the conduct of the delegates who would have been turned the other way, had waited upon Earl Grey, he begged to had the Bishops voted in support of that say, that they had done nothing which measure. He believed that the time would deserved the censure of the hon, and come for all these changes, but he admitted learned Gentleman, or the imputation of that this was not exactly the moment for having had intimidation for their object. discussing it. Then as to the observa- If it had not been for the tone assumed by tion of the hon, and learned member for the hon. and learned member for Stafford Stafford, that these expressions of opinion and by the hon. member for Worcester, and the call for a short adjournment, were upon the subject, neither the hon, memlike dictating to the Ministers, he did not ber for Middlesex nor he (Colonel Evans) agree at all with those statements of the would have said anything, and the pehon. and learned Member, and lie be-tition might have quietly gone with others lieved it would be only playing the game of a similar kind to that receptacle to of the Anti-reformers, if the people of this which they were all consigned; but as the country were to lie on their oars, as if call had been made, and as he had a they did not care about the success or the strong opinion on the subject, he should rejection of the Bill. Instead of doing be wanting in his duty as a man if he did this, he recommended them to use every not honestly state his opinion, that both Constitutional means of showing the deep the spiritual and the public welfare of the anxiety they felt upon the subject. people would be better consulted if the

Mr. Ruthven said, that the strong feel- Bishops had not seats in the House of ing which the people had manifested on Lords. this subject was both natural and proper, Mr. Leader said, as the petition before and he hoped they would continue to show the House professed to be an Irish one, their anxiety upon it in every constitu- and its prayer was the disfranchisement of tional way. He sincerely deprecated vio- the Bishops, he wished to take the oplence of all kinds, for riots were only in-portunity of saying a few words on the jurious to the cause of Reform; but he subject of tithes and the abuses of the trusted that all other efforts would be vestry system. First he would observe, made to sustain the Ministers.

that those parishes in which the Tithe Mr. John Campbell begged to be per- Composition Act was established were more

tranquil and better disposed than those petition which, considering all the circum-
which had not compounded, and there- stances connected with it, ought not to be
fore he was of opinion that system might allowed to be received by the House. No
be extended and improved, and if even a one regretted more than he did the decision
quantity of land could be set apart for the of the House of Lords; but a petition from
use of the clergy, instead of their being al- a single individual, declaring that one
lowed a tithe of the whole, it would be a branch of the legislature had not the right
still greater improvement. Again he pro- of voting, was a petition which he thought
posed to transfer the building and repair that the House could not properly receive.
of churches to the first fruits repealing Mr. Phillip Howard entirely concurred
the Vestry Acts, and doing away with all with the sentiments of the hon. member
compulsory cess for supporting the Pro- for Worcester. Although he deeply re-
testant Establishments ; to further these gretted the course which the Bishops had
objects, he had prepared three Bills. The pursued with respect to the Reform Bill,
first for the extension of the Tithe Com- yet he could not imagine they had acted
position in Ireland, the second for the from interested motives. Indeed, as they
Commutation of Tithes, and the third to had only a life-interest in their sees, if
repeal the Vestry Laws, and making the such unworthy motives had any weight with
first fruits available for the repair and them, they could have operated only to
building of Churches and other compul- make them support the Government. As
sory charges levied on the land. These to their seats in the Legislature, they had
Bills, under the altered circumstances of at all times with the exception of the time
the country, he did not propose to intro- of the Commonwealth, enjoyed them, and
duce to the consideration of the House; the there was never fewer of them than at pre-
people of Ireland were extremely discon- sent. As the House of Communs was so
tented, and when he saw English pe- particular in enforcing regulations to pre-
titions recommending the abolishment vent the House of Lords interfering with
of the Irish Church establishment, he put their privileges, they ought to be equally
it to hon. Gentlemen what must be the tender not to interfere with those of the
feelings of the Catholics who suffered other House.
under its exactions. The conduct of the The Speaker said, that the question of
Right Reverend Bench in voting against receiving this petition involved not only a
the Reform Bill had materially tended 10 question of the privileges of the other
aggravate this discontent and dislike in House of Parliament, but of their own.
both countries. They had to suffer from The petitioner might, on any general
the evils of a bad system which was ag- grounds, have prayed the Legislature for
gravated by their own conduct. Finally, the abolition of the right of voting of the
he must say, that resorting to a Protestant Bishops; but as the petition stated that
Yeomanry to endeavour to preserve the the petitioner founded his prayer upon
peace and collect tithes in Ireland, would what he conceived to be the vote of a por-
widen the breach between the clergy tion of the House of Lords; and as he
and the people, and be attended in other could only know how that portion of the
respects with the very worst consequences. House voted by means of a breach of pri-
Petition read.

vilege, it seemed to be doubtful whether
Mr. George Robinson said, in his opinion the notice of a matter, which was itself a
the petition was a most improper one, as breach of the privileges of the other House,
it called upon ore branch of ihe Legis- was not a breach of the privileges of their
lature to interfere with the privileges and own. his opinion it was, and that, on
rights of another. Besides, it was mani- that ground, the petition ought not to be
festly absurd. The petitioner prayed for received.
a clause to be introduced into the Reform Sir Charles Wetherell said, it was im-
Bill, to disfranchise the Bishops. The possible that the question could be put in
hon. Member who presented it was the a better and clearer light than had been
only person capable of performing the task; done by Mr. Speaker. He fully and en-
he must however most strongly protest tirely coincided with the view that had
against connecting public opinion with so been taken of the right of the Bishops to
ridiculous a petition as the one before the sit in Parliament by the hon. member for
House.

Carlisle. He would be always ready to Lord Althorp thought, that this was a maintain they had the same right to sit in

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the House of Lords as the temporal Peers. I could not extend it to a public denial of The Press had assumed a tone towards the all religion accompanied with gross blasBishops which was perfectly unjustifiable; phemy. As to the hon. Member's in ferindeed it seemed to be lording it over all ences from bis (Mr. Trevor's) opinions, he the institutions of the country.

treated them with the contempt they Mr. Hume said, that if a petition to merited. that House were to say that any measure Colonel Torrens asked the hon. Memwere thrown out by the votes of the Scotch, ber whether Christianity did not rest on or the Irish, or the county Members, he evidence, and could that evidence be made should consider it irregular; and, on the stronger by the infliction of punishment same ground, he must concur in thinking on those who denied it, or be weakened that the fixing the rejection of a Bill on by the admission of free discussion? any particular members of the other Mr. Trevor thought that religion wanted House, was equally objectionable. no support but that of its own truth. He

The Speaker said, that the hon. member had, however, said, and he would repeat for Middlesex took exactly the same view it, that the doctrines put forth by Mr. of the case which he did.

Taylor would be productive of the most Mr. Hunt said, after the opinion deli- injurious consequence to the lower classes. vered by the Speaker, he would withdraw Mr. Protheroe said, he had some petithe petition.

tions to present on this subject. He was Petition withdrawn accordingly. one of those who would not punish a man

for his religious opinions; but, as the matRELIGIOUS Prosecutions.) Mr. Hume ter had been represented to him, Mr. said, he had three Petitions to present to Taylor had been guilty of the most indethe House, praying that no man might be cent conduct, which the State had a right prosecuted on account of Religious Opin- to take notice of. If these representations ions. The first was from the inhabitants were true, he could only hope, for Mr. of Stockport; the second from Richard Taylor's own sake, that he had been out Carlile, who also complained of the hard- of his mind at the time he was guilty of ship of his case, in being imprisoned for such conduct. He would take that opporthe expression of his opinions; and the tunity of observing, that the Society for third was from the Westminster branch of the Suppression of Vice had not acted the National Union. He most fully con- with judgment in their prosecutions, but curred in the prayer of the Petitions. No had awakened in every instance the man ought to be punished for the expres- public sympathy in favour of the insion of his opinions on religious subjects. dividuals against whom they directed their It was contrary to those principles of reli- attacks. gious toleration which were fully recog- Mr. Warburton said, that if Mr. Taylor nized by the country.

had been left to himself, he would loog Mr. Trevor was as ready to admit the ago have ceased to excite any interest in principle of religious toleration as any the public mind. He wished that had hon. Member; but he thought it a mistake been the case, and in order to attain that to include within that principle the allow-desirable end, he recommended the Going men to publish the most gross and re- vernment to adopt the course pursued by volting blasphemies with impunity. a late right hon. Secretary of State, who,

Mr. Hume asked, why did not the hon. when he found that the continued impriMember carry his principle further, and sonment of Mr. Carlile produced a deagain kindle the fires of Smithfield ? for gree of sympathy on his behalf and procertainly, the principle which he avowed, cured that individual large subscriptions, of punishing any man who differed from released him at once from the imprisonhim, and who expressed that difference in ment that had operated so strongly in his words or in writing, might extend so far. favour with the public. The hon. Member could not call that tole- Mr. Hunt said, the hon, member for ration which would induce him to fasten Bristol was not very charitable, if he to the stake those who differed from him thought because a man might be mad he on religious opinions. The principle which ought to be locked up in a dungeon. He he avowed would go that length.

(Mr. Hunt) had no doubt that the person Mr. Trevor repeated, that he was not in question would soon either become really opposed to religious toleration, but he insane, or die under such treatment.

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Mr. Phillip Howard said, he thought second time, I submitted to his Majesty my Ministers had acted with a sound discre- intention of opposing the Reform Bill

, and my tion with regard to this person ; certainly perfect readiness to resign my situation as it was not prudent to draw such people that he might be pleased to fix on. I received,

Chamberlain to the Queen, at any moment from obscurity unnecessarily, but there in reply, a most gracious command to retain were particular cases, and this was one of my office, and a distinct recognition of my prithem, where blasphemy could not be vilege of being perfectly independent of any overlooked.

Government, from the circumstance of my Mr. Mabcrly said, it would be much being in her Majesty's household. My having more convenient if any hon. Member offered to resign again was out of the question, thought Ministers deserved censure for as I was allowed, by the King's own commutheir conduct towards this man, to bring a Nothing, therefore, but the positive request of

nication, to act and vote exactly as I pleased. specific motion before the House, when it Lord Grey and his colleagues to the King for could be properly dealt with, rather than my removal, in consequence of my vote the raise continually these incidental discus- other night, has been the cause of my being sions.

no longer in her Majesty's household. I feel Mr. Ruthven said, a man ought not to that it is but common justice to my own chabe subjected to punishment for his opin- full authority to make whatever use of it you

racter to make this statement, and to give you ions; but at the same time he thought the like, except the insertion of it in the public effect of these opinions required to be re

papers. I have the honour to be

your faithful medied by the law. Undoubtedly it was and obedient servant, the duty of Government to protect both “ The Hon. A. Trevor." the religion and the morality of the He felt it necessary, acting on this occacountry. Petitions to lie on the Table.

sion as lie had on the former, without any

communication with the noble Lord as to DISMISSAL OF EARL Howe.] Mr.

the course which he might think proper to Trevor rose to put a question to his Ma- take, to put a question to his Majesty's jesty's Government, on the subject of the Government. He did so as an act of jusdismissal of a noble Lord from his ap- moved from his appointment. The ques

tice to the noble Lord who had been repointment of Chamberlain to the Queen.tion which he wished to put was, whether He had put a question on this subject a few days ago to the noble Lord, the Pay- | Lord Howe had not been dismissed from master of the Forces, and that noble Lord the situation of Chamberlain to her Mahad stated that Earl Howe had tendered his jesty in consequence of the vote that he resignation, which was accepted. He had had given on the Reform Bill, notwithsince received a letter from Earl Howe, standing the assurance that had been with whom he had not the honour of being made to him by his Majesty that he might personally acquainted, in which that noble vote on that question as he pleased ? Earl stated, that the noble Lord's account | ber and the House must be aware, that

Lord Althorp said, that the hon. Memof the transaction was inconsistent with the real facts of the case. That letter he

the reinoval of any individual from any now held in his hand, and as he was au- / appointment in the household of their thorized by the noble Lord to make any

Majesties was made in the undisputed use of it he thought proper, he would read exercise of the royal prerogative, to remove it to the House:

or retain any individual at pleasure. It

would not become him, therefore, standing Gopsal, Atherstone, Oct. 16. there as a Minister of the Crown, to enter “Sir-Although I have not the honour of into any statement, or to give any opinyour acquaintance, I am certain you will par-ion, as to the grounds of such removal. don the liberty I take in making a few observations on a question which the papers of yesterday mentioned to have been put by you Cholera Morbus.] Sir Richard Vyin the House of Commons respecting my dis- vyan wished to put a question to the Vicemissal from the Queen's household. If the President of the Board of Trade, on the answer Lord John Russell is reported to have subject of the Cholera Morbus. It was given in The Times is the one he really made, known that this fatal disorder had appeared I must say his Lordship made a statement at ct variance with the real facts of the case,

at Hamburgh, within thirty-six hours' which are these :

voyage by steam to this country, and he “In the month of May last, and for the was desirous of learning whether GovernVOL. VIII. {Third

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ment had received any official information country by the employment of precauof that circumstance? and whether, as the tionary measures, and he trusted that we disease had now only to cross the German should be able to do so for the future; Ocean, any additional measures of quar- though the disease undoubtedly beantine had been taken against it? It came more formidable as it approached seemed an unfortunate mistake, that the those shores with which this country was violence of the Cholera Morbus was at- in the habit of frequent communication. tenuated by crossing the sea ; and it was Should, in any instance the disease be inknown, that when it was conveyed from troduced, it would depend, in a great Calcutta to Mauritius and the Isle of measure, on the exertions of the people France, it was felt in those islands with then selves on its first appearance to check the greatest severity. There was every its progress. The recommendations, which reason to fear that it would make its ap- he had already stated the Government had pearance in this country; and if so, he issued to the different authorities in the hoped steps would be taken to isolate country, contained a statement of those preplaces infected, so as to prevent the spread cautionary measures which Government ing of the disorder. He had adverted to thought it desirable should be taken, and the subject prior to the prorogation, in he had no doubt that if they were carried hopes that the attention of the people strictly into effect, they would, if the would be directed to it. They would them- disease should unfortunately appear in this selves be the best guardians and conserva- country, check its progress, if not entirely tors of the public health; and ought, im- confine it to the place of its first appear. mediately a place was attacked, to insist ance. that a circle should be drawn round it. Mr. Warburton said, that there were no

Mr. Poulett Thomson said, in reply to precautionary measures, not even the esthe question asked by the hon. Baronet, tablishment of a coast guard, to which he that in the course of last week, the Govern- should object, for the purpose of keeping ment had received information, though this dreadful disease out of the country. not of an official character, that the Its effect was more calamitous than that Cholera Morbus had reached Hamburgh. of war itself, and they were bound to do Immediately on the receipt of this intelli- all which human wisdom prescribed to gence, the Government issued orders preserve the country from its ravages. inforcing a more strict quarantine with He suggested that a cordon should be respect to all vessels coming from Ham-drawn round those districts where the burgh, and had directed further precau- disease should break out. tionary measures to be taken with regard

Mr. Hume asked whether there was any to vessels coming from any part of the medical person at Hamburgh, appointed coast lying between the north of Denmark by Government to watch the disease, and and Rotterdam. All vessels arriving either make a report on its peculiar nature ? from Hamburgh, or from any port within Mr. Poulett Thomson said, that when the district he had just described, would the Cholera Morbus broke out in Russia, be subjected to new regulations. In ad-Government despatched two medical men dition to this, the Government had thought to Petersburgh, for the purpose of init adviseable to call public attention to quiring into the nature of that disease. the subject, and had recommended the Those gentlemen had left Petersburgh, and different authorities in the country, both had arrived at Hamburgh, and would forlay and ecclesiastical, to use all the means ward any information they were able to in their power to keep the disease out of obtain connected with the disease, to the their respective districts, or, should it ap. Government at home. He thought it a pear, to prevent its spreading. He per most fortunate circumstance that those fectly agreed in the observations which gentlemen were able, by their accidental had fallen from the hon. Baronet with presence at Hamburgh, to report to Gorespect to the nature of the disease. vernment the progress of the disease in From all the accounts which he had re- that place. He had as yet received no ceived, it appeared to him quite ridiculous information of their having reached Hamto suppose that the nature of the Cholera burgh, but in all probability they had Morbus was much affected by a sea pas arrived there by this time. sage. We had hitherto been able to keep Mr. Trevor said, he had received comthis dreadful disease entirely out of the munications from Northumberland, ex

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