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Mr. Trevor had directed his observa- the taxes, in the event of a new Administions to the general tendency of the adver-tration being formed. He considered that tisement, and not to one word of it, which, the noble Lord (the Chancellor of the Exof course, he must have seen was a mis- chequer) had addressed that meeting in a print. The part of the advertisement he ob- proper manner, by pointing out to them jected to, was that which said that as the the impropriety of the course they had

success of the measure was no longer adopted. It was absolutely necessary, for doubtful,' the parishioners were recom- the preservation of the institutions of the mended not to withhold the payment of country, that the payment of taxes should the rates, as if they would have been be enforced. He thought the case brought justified in doing so had the measure not before the House called for no interference been likely to be successful.

on the part of Parliament: the law was Sir John Hobhouse said, that if the ad quite sufficient to put a stop to those provertisement went to recommend the people ceedings of which the hon. Member (Mr. not to refuse the payment of taxes, he Trevor) complained. hardly knew what the hon. Member had Mr. George Robinson was surprised that to complain of. The meeting was, in fact, the House should have their time occupied convened for that purpose; and there by such a subject. The meeting referred to presided at it a gentleman named Maule, in the advertisement did nothing, and yet of high professional character and ability, the hon. Member now called on the House who had taken that means in order to for a Resolution as to the object of a meet- divert the parishioners from adopting the ing, after that meeting had been indeother course, of which he had heard finitely postponed, and he asked the House rumours. That gentleman had a great to declare that that which might have deal to lose, instead of to gain, by the been proposed, had the meeting not been adoption of any unconstitutional measures. postponed, was calculated to intimidate He must beg further to state to the House, Members of that House from doing their that Mr. Maule had written a letter to his duty. He, therefore, hoped the hon. fellow parishioners, containing an opinion Member who had brought the matter foropposed to the proposition for refusing the ward, would see the necessity of withdrawpayment of rates, a proposition which the ing his Motion forthwith. writer described as silly and dangerous. Mr. Hunt said, that this refusal to pay

Mr. James E. Gordon was glad to hear taxes had been recommended by a portion the explanation, for he had seconded the of the public Press, and sanctioned by the Motion from supposing that it rested on hon. member for Middlesex. He had no the ground that certain persons had en-doubt of its illegality. A man might retered into a combination to refuse the fuse to pay the taxes, and allow his goods parochial rates.

to be distrained; but that was not the Mr. Cutlar Fergusson said, that if a question. The question was,whether it was resolution was passed at any meeting re-lawful for 150,000 persons to conspire tocommending the non-payment of taxes, gether to refuse the payment of taxes. But there was no lawyer who would not pro- the matter did not stop there. Threats had nounce that resolution illegal. Though been employed to prevent auctioneers from there was nothing unlawful in a man re- selling distrained goods; and an auctioneer fusing to pay taxes because he had not in Bath had been obliged, in consequence the wherewithal, yet it was a very differ- of intimidation, to issue a handbill, in ent matter when persons, situated as the which he gave public notice, that he would hon, member for Middlesex, who had a not receive for sale any goods distrained house in Bryanstone-square, and was well for the non-payment of King's Taxes. able to pay the taxes, entered into an He would now show the House what sort agreement to withhold payment. He had of creature a Whig was; for this refusal no hesitation in saying, that the refusal to to pay taxes was a Whig measure. It pay taxes to the state was a high misde- / was the measure of the friends of the meanour; it was a most dangerous pro- Bill; the Radicals had nothing to do with ceeding, totally subversive of the law, and it. He had had a letter put into his if persevered in, might be the means of the hands, to which a forged signature of his entire dissolution of society. He under name bai been affixed. The letter was stood that a meeting in the country had addressed to his printer, and was drawn come to the resolution of refusing to pay up in these terms:

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“ Please to print 1,000 double-crown broad- | He would advise them to disconnect themsides as follows, and get them struck off as selves from those who, he believed, were soon as possible.”

against all government, and to try honestly " HENRY HUNT." to allay excitement.

He could assure “ Englishmen, rouse yourelves! Pay no rates nor taxes, until you get the Reform Bill." them, on his honour, that if they brought

forward a measure of Reform which he did This forging of his name by the Whigs, in not think destructive of the Constitution, order to recommend to the people the he would be most anxious to vote for it. non-payınent of taxes, was, he considered, He had, on former occasions, expressed a carrying the joke too far. He thought strong opinion against the right hon. Genthat the hon. member for Kirkcudbright|tlemen: he retracted not one word ; but, had given Ministers as severe a drubbing at this moment, they must not look back; as ever they had in their lives. The hon. they ought to look at circumstances as Member had declared that the Birming- they stood, and to the future. If he ham meeting had been guilty of a high really believed that the line of conduct misdemeanour; and yet, two noble Lords pursued by the right hon. Gentlemen was opposite, Ministers of the Crown, had calculated to alleviate evils which at precorresponded with that meeting, without sent existed, he would cross the House expressing disapprobation at their conduct and support them, if he did so alone. He

Mr. Cutlar Fergusson disclaimed having implored them to look seriously to the thrown any imputation on the iwo noble state of things, to weigh their words careLords to whom the hon. member for Pres- fully, and to remember, that though it ton had alluded ; on the contrary, he had was their duty to improve the institutions applauded them for having expressed their of the country, it was also their sacred disapprobation of the doctrine adopted by duty, as Ministers of the Crown, to defend the Birmingham meeting.

them as long as they existed. It was a Mr. Hunt did not recollect that the dereliction of their duty to hold up the noble Lords had expressed any disappro- institutions of the country to disrespect, bation of that doctrine in the letters which and he exceedingly regretted that the they sent to Birmingham.

noble Lord opposite had thought proper Lord Valletort said, that the letters of to call the majority of the House of Lords the noble Lords opposite, being addressed “ the whisper of a faction.” They had to the chairman of a meeting which had heard a great deal of that majority; they adopted an illegal resolution, so far from had been told that the decision in the discountenancing had rather sanctioned House of Lords had been come to by that doctrine. He certainly could not interested persons, and by the bench of participate in the declarations which had | Bishops, who were not fit to form any been made from that (the Opposition) side, opinion on the subject. Now he believed that Ministers were not sincere in their it would be found, that if all the Peers who desire to put down disorder. His belief were proprietors of boroughs, and all the was, that the right hon. Gentlemen would, Bishops, were excluded from the calculaif they could, put down riotous proceed- tion, a majority of the House of Lords ings; but their language and acts excited was against the Bill. It was a great deal that feeling which created riots. There too hard, therefore, to have it stated that was, however, one excuse for their con- the Bill was thrown out of the House of duct. They had been so long in oppo- Lords by those who had a personal insition, that the abuse of the institutions of terest in getting it rejected. He believed the country had become almost habitual that those noble Lords who possessed to them. "The abuse of those institutions, property in boroughs were not guided in however, proceeding from them when in their decision by improper motives. It opposition, was trivial, but it assumed a was a libel on the English peerage to say, more serious complexion when it came, that they had not manliness to resist such particularly at such a moment as the

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He did implore Ministers to sent, from the confidential advisers of the consider whether it would not be better to Crown. He implored the right hon. Gen- bring forward a measure of Reform less tlemen opposite to recollect, that a single efficient than the last one, than to run the incautious word falling from men in their risk of the consequence which would situations might be productive of conse- probably follow the second rejection of the quences the most pernicious to the State. Bill by the Lords. Questions of this kind ought always to be regarded as a balance the people of Ireland had, in that manner, of evils; and if, by diminishing the violent beaten their oppressors, without a single character of the measure, they could con- assault, without breaking a pane of glass; ciliate the party opposed to them, he and in spite of the interested opposition thought they would only be performing and strong party spirit, that would have their duty in doing so.

forced them into such measures they Mr. O'Connell said, it was as unfounded kept the peace, if they did not keep their a charge as ever was made, to assert that tempers. The people of England were it was the intention of the Ministers to perfectly competent to follow that exinduce the people to refuse to pay taxes. ample. He hoped they would not violate It was not the act of the Reformers—it the law. He was not surprised that they was the act of the Anti-reformers. It was had shown some degree of warmth at their their vexatious opposition to the Bill -- disappointment. What had been the natheir opposition to the spirit of the people, ture of the discussions on the Bill? Why, by delay, by frivolous pretexts, by motions every part of the Bill but that which was made every hour, every day, and every at the moment before the House had been month, for the purposes of delay. Did the subject of remark and protracted dethey think that the people would bear this bate. Three months had been spent in for ever? They had endured the delay that inanner. The opposite party had had most patiently, from the certainty, as they their triumph of delay, but it was only a hoped, that the measure would be suc- triumph of delay, for the King's Governcessful after soine delay, and now that ment could bring in the Bill again, and hope was at an end, by the foolish and the Anti-reformers would not have the absurd rejection of this popular measure. power to reject it. They had indulged These were the causes of the popular ex- their self-flattery—they had said, that the citement. Hon. Members talked of the people did not care for the Bill, and that institutions of the country. Were the the Bill was destructive to the Constiturotten boroughs the institutions of the tion; and they had repeated these things country? Were the nominations of Peers usque ad nauseam. They talked now to places in that House the institutions of this recommendation not to pay taxes of the country? The people in general amounting to treason. He would tell looked upon these things as a corruption them that, if this measure was carried, any that must be remedied, and yet it was man might be left to talk high treason as on behalf of such abominations that he pleased, for the people of England hon. Gentlemen called on the Govern- would totally disregard it: but, until it ment to suspend the measure; that what was carried, it would be in vain; to atthe people endured so long, they might tempt to strangle their cries of indignation. endure yet longer? He, on the contrary, The people ought to keep within legal called upon

the Ministers steadily to pur- bounds. The success of the great measue their course, and to cut away the gan- sure depended on the people-on their grene that preyed on the vitals of the keeping their acts and expressions withState with a firin hand. He trusted, that in the channels of the law, and on the people would soon obtain what they their not having recourse to any viodeserved -a full Representation in that lence whatever. Feeling this, and seeHouse. The English nation had often ing how utterly improper was the introbeen compared to the lion ; and if duction of this debate at this moment, he hon. Members thought that Englishmen hoped the Ministers would not condescend were totally regardless of the manner in to give any further answer respecting the which their most earnest wishes were re- letter than that which they had given last jected, they would find themselves mis- night. Who was to dispute whether it taken—they would find the truth of that was the whisper of a faction that had reexpression which they had heard so often : jected the Bill? If the people were for the ira Leonum vincula recusantium.He Bill, the whisper of a faction must be on warned them not to put matters to such the other side-there could not be a faction an extremity. He earnestly hoped, that on both sides—the faction must be on one the people would be peaceable; their op- or the other; and if it was disputed that ponents must be beaten by that mode of the people were in favour of the Bill, his conduct; the people must and could carry answer was, that that question would be the measure, without violating the law : I very shortly settled. VOL. VIII. {Third

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Sir Charles Wetherell said, he happened Mr. George Robinson: Then, I say that, to be absent from the House when his in point of order, the hon. and learned name was called, and he wished then to Gentleman is not applying himself to the know, whether he might not bring his subject before the House. motion by way of amendment, or in some Sir Charles Wetherell continued. He other manner, at the present moment. It had heard of a man coming forward with a should be observed, that his notice stood hand and a glové-but, in the attack of on the paper before that of the hon. Gen- the hon. Member, he could see neither tleman whose motion was now before the hand nor glove. That was very strange, House.

as the hon. Member represented WorcesThe Speaker said, the regular mode was, ter, the great manufactory of gloves. to bring forward the different notices in But to return to what had been said by succession, until all were disposed of; and the hon. and learned member for Kerry. unless that practice were adhered to, the He would ask the hon. and learned Mempaper, it must be obvious, would be of no ber, whether the British lion he had aluse at all. The hon. and learned Gentle-luded to was the infuriated rabble who had man had asked whether he could not in- aitempted to drag from hiscarriage, and had troduce his motion, or a discussion relative in fact seriously ill-treated, a noble and galto that motion, on the consideration of the lant Peer? He would appeal to English question before the House. That inust Members on this point. He would ask them depend on the fact whether the hon, and whether such a proceeding as this indicalearned Gentleman's observations had re- ted the presence of the British lion? The ference to the motion now before the hon. and learned Member was the only House, because, if a different course were Irish Member who seemed to contemplate taken, it would defeat the right of prece- a ferocious attack on an Irish nobleman as a dence, which belonged to the hon. mem- proof of the prowess of the British lion. ber for Durham.

He supposed that the hon, and learned Sir Charles Wetherell rather thought Member considered that the British lion that he had an opportunity of bringing be- was merely shaking the dews from his fore the House the subject matter to which mane, when a highly-excited mob treated his motion referred, without trespassing a nobleman in this ignominious manner. on the rule which the Speaker had laid Every one except the hon. and learned down. As he was strictissimus juris, he Member, deprecated and deplored the cirfelt anxious not to interfere with any rule cumstance to which he had alluded. So by which the right of another might be far as he had observed, it certainly was affected. He would therefore proceed, not characteristic of an Irishman to be a notwithstanding the sardonic smiles and coward, it certainly was no part of the satirical gestures of Gentlemen on the general conduct of an Irishman to attack other side of the House, to declare his an individual who could not defend himopinion with reference to the subject to self; it certainly was no part of an Irishwhich his notice of motion referred. The man's well known gallantry, when a noble hon. and learned Gentleman (Mr. O'Con- Lord was attacked, to mix himself up with nell) had allowed sentiments to fall from the cowards and dastards who perpetrated him which could not be heard but with that attack, and then to speak of the magfeelings of indignation : and

nanimity of the British lion. He conMr. George Robinson rose to order. lle ceived that many of those who placed themwished to know whether the hon, and selves on that (the Opposition) side of the learned Gentleman was not bound, before House--and the hon. and learned member he entered into a discussion, to show in what for Kerry amongst the number--might, mode he meant to bring forward his motion, with great propriety, place themselves so as not to infringe on the rule laid down on the Ministerial benches. The corby the Speaker.

poreal frames of these hon. Members which The Speaker said, the hon. and learned he and his hon. friends did not want, were Gentleman was bound, after what he had placed near them, while their metaphysical stated, to introduce his observations in a part, their mental part, transported itself to manner consistent with the orders of the theother side of the Table, He wishes that House ; but he was not bound to state to these Gentlemen would take refuge among the hon. Gentleman how he meant to effect the Radicals and Liberals, instead ofgiving that object.

interruption to those who sat on the Ops position side of the House. Not only did they came was to support the non-payment those Gentlemen proceed in the most in- of taxes. ["No, no,” from Lord Althorp.] convenient manner, but certainly they did The noble Lordcried“No, no.” Now he said not act according to the usages of Parlia- that the statement was in the newspaper, ment, as practised in the better, and he and the noble Lord's letter was also in the would add, the gentlemanly times of the newspapers. The resolutions were printed, House of Commons. In his earlier days, and the letters of the noble Lord and his noble neither the hon. member for Kerry, nor colleague were printed. This being the case, the hon. member for Worcester, would it was for the House to decide on what the have taken their places where they now sat. effect of those resolutions, and of those letIn the present day he knew not whether ters, was likely to be. Ministers might say liberality might not have made very great that, if it were deemed fitting, they, or advances, but with respect to gentility, he their legal advisers, would take proper was confident that they had retrograded notice of the outrages which had been considerably. He now came to that part committed; but as yet he had not heard of his address in which he would prove that they had taken any steps in the matthat his notice of motion was intimately ter. They were all acquainted with the connected with the proposition then be destruction of the house (not the family seat) fore the House. There were now abroad of the Duke of Newcastle. Formerly it was two subjects-subjects of great public ex- the family seat of that noble man, butit had citement, which demanded and deserved long ceased to be so. To what were they to particular attention. One of these was a attribute the burning of that property ? treasonable conspiracy to prevent the pay- It could be traced to no other cause but ment of taxes--a treasonable conspiracy, that the Duke of Newcastle was an oppohe repeated, with the abettors of which nent of the Reform Bill. The hon. member two Members of his Majesty's Government for Middlesex treated this conflagration as had thought fit to correspond. He would a mere trifle. That hon. Member was an not here introduce the subject of yester- economical man. He was quite happy wher, day's discussion, but merely allude to the items of 24d. or 14d. were the subject of foundation of it. Another subject, con- his consideration. On a late occasion, he nected with public excitement, must also advised the first Lord of the Admiralty to attract their attention-namely, that of an feed our seamen on bad biscuit and sour attack on the persons and property of all pork, because I{d. might be saved per lb. those Members of the House of Peers who but now he carried his economy much constituted the majority against the Re- further. He said that the Duke of Newform Bill. Of that system of attack they castle's mansion, which had been burned had already heard, and his motion would down, was not worth much-it was only go to a specific point connected with that a lodging-house; thus carrying economy system-he meant the attack on the pro- even to the crime of arson-thus adapting perty of the Duke of Newcastle. "The economy even to the offence of destroying hon. member for Middlesex had advocated, property by fire. The hon. Member would, and strongly too, the principle that a re- no doubt, contend that a considerable solution might legally be agreed to, hav- saving bad been effected because Clumbering for its object the refusal to pay taxes. hall, the country residence of the Duke of He would, however, take the liberty of Newcastle had not been consumed. Now, saying, that such a resolution, proposed what he wished was, that a Special Comin any place, would be illegal; and if con- mission should be issued to try the offennected with a general purpose (and he stated ders. He knew not whether the hon. the law in the presence of the mute Attorney and learned member for Nottingham had General) would become a most serious of- had all the facts detailed to him, but he fence. The passing such a resolution at all understood that the demolition of the was a misdemeanour; and if matured, so as house belonging to the Duke of Newto have a general purpose in view, it became castle took place under circumstances high treason. These were the two pro- which left no doubt that these practices positions which he called on the mute were directed against him personally, and Attorney General of the Cabinet to get up against his property, on account of his and answer. It seemed that there had been conduct with respect to the orm Bill. at Birmingham a meeting of 150,000 per- [The Attorney General: Not personally.] sons, and one of the resolutions to which Those practices could not, of course, bę

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