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of putting down and dispersing such as- not connive at those disturbances, but that semblages, he called upon them to look at they, and every individual in that House, the Act of Parliament, and to see whether whatever difference of opinion they might it was or was not easy to act effectually entertain on political subjects, joined in upon it. He repeated that he deeply re- one common feeling, that of a firm detergretted the commission of such outrages, mination to protect the lives and properties but he did not regret that the people were of his Majesty's subjects. He confessed not prevented from approaching their that he felt considerable surprise at the Sovereign, and declaring their feelings speech of the hon. member for Middleand wishes.

sex. That hon. Member began his address Lord Stormont said, that his first inten- in a very moderate tone, but when he tion in trespassing for a few seconds upon spoke of one of the grossest outrages that the House was, to repel the imputation ever was committed, he spoke of it as a attempted to be cast upon himself and his mere accident. He had spoken of a hon. friends, of being enemies of freedom, furious attack on a Peer of Parliament but, on consideration, he should allow the as nothing more than a mere accident. remark to“ pass by as the idle wind.” He When he heard it said that individuals who would, however, entreat hon. Members had opposed the Reform Bill dared not for their own sakes, at least, not to betray show their noses out of doors, he was a disregard of the public safety, by holding filled at once with regret and indignation. up any men as enemies to public liberty. It was the duty of the Government, and There was one passage in the speech of he believed it would attend to its duty, to the hon, member for Middlesex which was protect persons and property, and to take a complete refutation of what had been care that every hon. Member, after he had urged in defence of the two letters which fairly and faithfully discharged his duty, had been referred to in the course of the might appear in public without annoydebate, and justified, to the fullest extent, ance. He so far expressed his confidthe interpretation which had been given to ence in the present Government as to say, them by that (the opposition) side of the that he believed they would do this; and, House. It was quite evident, that a pro- therefore, he was opposed to the opinion minent passage in those letters applied to of those who called for extraordinary meathe majority in that House, and to the sures. He would have the dignity of the minority in the other House.

Government upheld, not by a military Sir George Warrender said, that though force, to which the hon. member for Preshis opinion on the subject of the Reform ton had alluded, but by the ordinary Bill remained unshaken, still he did not powers of law. If it were necessary, concur in some of the sentiments delivered a commission might be appointed to inthat night by the hon. and learned mem- quire into the whole of the facts; but he ber for Aldborough. The assertion that would not resort to any measures of exhis Majesty's Government connived at tremity, unless the utmost necessity called the disturbances in the country must have for them. a most mischievous effect. He did not Mr. Hunt said, he did not wish the like that such a statement as that should military to be employed. What he had go forth as the opinion of a man of dis- said was—“ If things go on much longer cernment, and one who had lately filled in this way, shall we be able to put the out-the situation of his Majesty's Attorney- rages down without the aid of the military?" General. It was the duty of every go

Colonel Trench said, he had this day vernment to prevent disturbances; and witnessed a procession in Piccadilly, in he should not be doing justice to the indi- which he had seen the carriage of the hon. vidual who was now at the head of the member for Middlesex. It was preceded by Home Department, if he did not say, that a standard-bearer with a white flag,on which he believed he was most anxious to attend were inscribed the words

- the King, instantly to the preservation of the public Commons, and the People.” He followed peace. The warmth, the zeal, and the the procession along Piccadilly. When eloquence of his hon. and learned friend they came to the mansion of the Duke of had, he was sure, carried him further than Devonshire, the mob gave a great shout; he intended ; and he hoped that it would and when they arrived at that of the be understood throughout the country, Duke of St. Alban's, they also gave a not only that his Majesty's Ministers did / shout, but it was more feeble. He wished VOL. VIII. {Third?


to go to the Duke of Wellington's, but he they considered that these individuals were was not able to effect that purpose. When for many hours without food, and that, in hegot near the house of the Duke of Welling- all likelihood, they had entered a number ton, he saw a number of respectable looking of public houses, it might easily be imapersons, persons very well dressed, walking gined that their conduct would not be the four and four, and with ribands tied round most quiet or decorous. Under such cirtheir arms: he saw those people leave the cumstances, he thought it would have remain body, while those who followed them dounded much more to the credit of the rushed into the gate. Those well-disposed hon. member for Middlesex, if he had enpersons made room for the individuals deavoured to make those people disperse, whom they headed, and who immediately instead of enjoying such a paltry triumph began breaking the windows. The mere as the shouts of a mob, passing through breaking of a pane or two of glass, under the streets and under the windows of the ordinary circumstances, was of no import- Sovereign, could confer upon him. He ance; but this appeared to him to be a had heard, with regret, that while a resoregular and organized outrage. He con- lution was debating in that House, an fessed that it gave him very great pain to hon. Member had gone to another asfind that any set of men could offer insult sembly, consisting, it was said, of 3,000 to an individual whose warlike achieve- persons, where the same question was disments had immortalized the British name, cussed and decided, and that hon. Memand who he believed to be the most upright ber immediately after returned, followed, and honest man that ever ornamented as he understood, by 1,000 people, to the private society or dignified a public station. very doors of Parliament. Such an exOne individual there was whom he could ample, he thought, was exceedingly danidentify as giving orders. This individual gerous, and he thought it extraordinary was a remarkably well-dressed man. He that


individuals should stoop to such looked after the standard-bearer, but him artifices, for the purpose of procuring an he could not find. The well-dressed ascendancy over the minds of the people. people of whom he had already spoken as Mr. Hume: There is scarcely one word being present on the occasion, if not in- of truth in the statement which the House citing to outrage, did not, at any rate, has just heard, and so far as I am conattempt to prevent it. It was a question cerned it is utterly untrue. I mean that on a former occasion, whether these pro- it is altogether a mistake on the part of cessions were legal or not; but he feared the hon. and gallant Officer who bas just that the permission given in so many spoken; I was not in Piccadilly with the instances to such processions would take procession. away all doubts on the subject from the Colonel Trench: I did not say that I minds of the people. An hon. Member saw the hon. Member in Piccadilly; I had said that, in coming down to the saw him with the procession in Pall Mall, House, no apprehensions appeared to be and when he passed me, I saw him forming entertained by the shopkeepers and others part of that procession which I accomas he went along. But as he procceded panied up St. James's-street and along to the House he was led to form a very Piccadilly. I went with what I call his different conclusion, for he saw a number procession, and he, I presume, went to of persons busily employed in barricading the Levee. their windows, and the precaution appeared Mr. Hume said, that he went to Mr. to him to be very necessary. In conclu- Byng in his carriage, having, in consion, he must say, that it would have been junction with that gentleman, agreed 10 well if the hon. member for Middlesex take up the petitions of two deputatione. had taken the course which the hon. He understood that four other deputations member for Preston had described himself had proceeded to St. James's, and were to have taken on former occasions. When there informed by Lord Melbourne, that he saw an angry mob endeavouring to it would not be convenient to his Majesty force themselves into the presence of their to receive their petitions, and that it Monarch, it would have been more pru- would be better to present them through dent if he had said to them—“Rely upon the hands of the county Members. me; I will take care your petition shall plication was consequently made to him be presented ”minstead of going through to present those pelilions, and he comthe streets with them in procession. When I plied with the application. He had


nothing whatsoever to do with the pro- | anticipating any exception which could cession. He was present at the meeting, be taken to it, by saying that he meant to and it was well known to all who were impute nothing but a mistake. In the there, that he was against deputations same manner he explained his application going up.

He then said, that it would of the word accidental to a gross outrage. be much better that the Members for the Colonel Trench said, although he was county should present the petitions, and as ready as any man to resent an offence, not deputations of large bodies of men. yet he was fully satisfied with the explaWhen, however, they afterwards came to nation given by the hon. member for him with three petitions, he at once Middlesex. agreed to receive them, and he should be Colonel Sibthorp said, a delegate from glad to know what would have been a Political Union, who met him in the thought of bim if he had refused them lobby, and niistook him for a Reforming after Lord Melbourne had said they ought Member, had made certain remarks to to be presented by the county Members. him which he should not further parThey were handed to him in St. James's ticularize than, by saying the House Square, he took them down to the palace, seemed to stand in an altered position, and delivered them there. That was the when Members were beset by persons only duty he had to perform; and as to connected with political associations, the procession, he disclaimed having whose object was, to subvert the functions anything whatever to do with it. With of Parliament. He was ready to accept respect to what he had said as to the any situation that might tend to keep the attack on a noble Marquis, no person peace, and even to act as a policeman, if in that House or in the country regretted the Secretary for the Home Department that attack more than he did. All he considered his services of any value. meant to express when he before spoke Mr. Maberly said, that many of the was, that he did not believe it was a pre- immense multitude that had met together meditated attack, but that it arose from that morning, were by the Reform Bill the irritated feelings of individuals, and to have the franchise extended to them, was a mere matter of the moment. and the disappointment of their hopes by

Colonel Trench: As to the first part of the Bill not passing into a law, had been the speech of the hon, member for Mid- much aggravated by then being told their dlesex, I shall return my thanks for it opinions were changed with regard to that elsewhere. What I have stated is not an Bill. They met to demonstrate that that untruth, as he has dared to affirm. was not the case, and proceeded in a body

Mr. Hume: I thought I fully guarded to present an address to prove their unmyself: the statement I said was untrue changed determination. His firm belief so far as I was concerned. Nothing can

Nothing can was, that the people had assembled with be plainer than that the hon. and gallant the strongest intention of keeping the Member labours under a mistake.

peace. The Government had been blamed Sir George Warrender said, 'that he, for not preventing these meetings; but if as well as all the hon. Members around it had attempted that, he would venture him, felt that there was a misunderstanding to predict that the day would have termion the subject between the hon. member nated very differently from what it had. for Middlesex and the hon. member for Mr. Paget said, the people had been Cambridge. He was quite sure that the accused of being lukewarm in the cause of hon. member for Middlesex did not mean Reform, and he knew not what course to apply the denial in the manner taken. they could pursue to disprove that accu

Lord Stormont thought, the hon. mem- sation, except that which they had ber for Middlesex ought to retract the adopted. When he heard individuals expre sion. It was due to the character speaking of a body of men, assembled of the House that he should retract it. for a constitutional purpose, as a mob [The callChair, chair," was now ready to imbrue their hands in the blood raised.]

of their fellow-citizens, he considered it to The Speaker: The moment the ex- be a gross libel on the people of England. pression was used I felt it was out of Subject dropped, and Petition laid on order, but almost instantly the hon. the Table. member for Middlesex retracted it in the most marked and effectual manner, BOROUGH OF LIVERPOOL.) Mr. Benett

moved the Second Reading of the Liver- | the House be prepared to suspend the pool Franchise Bill. He proposed that writs for any such places merely upon the the Committee upon it should be post- statement of any hon. Member who poned to some distant day, so that it would declare he believed the same cormight be proceeded with after the recess. rupt practices were continued and still in

Mr. Ewart said, the Reform Bill having operation. This would be to repose a failed, and this Bill being in all its en- dangerous and most unconstitutional franchising clauses a re-enactment of the power in the majority of the House. Hon. provisions contained in that measure, he Members should also remember, that it of course intended to support it, for he was by mere accident that the House had considered that part of the Bill as highly any opportunity of withholding the writ. valuable to the important community he One of the hon. Members returned for had the honour to represent; but he that town (Mr. Denison) had made his could not agree to the disfranchising election to sit for the county of Nottingclauses contained in the Bill, and should ham, for which he was also returned, and, feel himself bound to oppose them when but for this circumstance, Liverpool would the Bill came before a Committee. The now have two Representatives. These extension of the franchise to a most re- circumstances, so far from involving the spectable class would have the effect of House in any inconsistency by agreeing to purifying the old constituency.

his motion, were sufficient to establish the Bill read a second time, Committee fact, that the inconsistency would be in appointed for that day three months. departing from ancient usage, and if the

alternative could not be avoided, it would New Writ For LIVERPOOL.) Mr. be better to give up the imperfect inciGranville Vernon, in moving a New Writ | dental votes of the present Session, rather for Liverpool, said, that after the House than set them up against unvaried prehad come to two decisions during the scription. But he would go so far as to present Session adverse to the motion deny that his motion was inconsistent which he had now the honour of sub- with these previous votes; they were come mitting, he felt himself bound to give to, under circumstances when a measure some reasons for his pertinacity in renew- was before them by which it was probable ing the discussion. There were two ob- the whole constituency would be amended jects which it behoved every hon. Gen- and purified, and it was argued, that it tleman to bear in mind-the first was, his would be adviseable to delay the writ until own character, the second, that of the that object was effected; now that there House. He was prepared to contend, was no longer any prospect that great that by voting for the motion which he measure could be effected during the should conclude by proposing to the present Session, the case stood on House, that hon. Members would fulfil different footing, and the question was, both these objects. He considered that whether they would keep the great insubsequent events had altered the case terests of Liverpool only half represented wholly, upon which the former decisions during another Session, or allow the issue were rested. Those decisions, in his opin- of the writ. The House, he was sure, ion, were calculated to establish a dan- would not refuse to listen to the prayer gerous precedent, and were a departure 1,400 of the most opulent merchants and from the privileges of Parliament, as inhabitants of that important place, who settled by long custom. The facts of prayed for a full Representation as necesthe case were, that in a former Parliament, sary for a due attention to their interests bribery to a large extent was proved to in that House. He would therefore move, have been practised at Liverpool, but there “ 'That the Speaker be directed to issue was no case where a writ had been sus his warrant for the election of a Member pended on such retrospective considera- to serve in Parliament for the borough of tions. Where was such a precedent to Liverpool.” stop ? By what limits could it be defined ? Mr. Rigby Wason rose to propose an If the acts of a constituency in a former amendment to the Motion just made, and Parliament were reviewed in this manner, he was sure the hon. Gentleman who had what was to prevent the House from re- just addressed the House would be happy to curring to more ancient delinquencies ? learn that such amendment was strictly There was no want of cases, and would | in precedent, and was founded on a case




which was supported by the whole of the the whole of the present Parliament, for present Ministers. When this question had there could be no doubt that the ensuing last been argued there appeared some diffi- Session would be wholly taken up with culty in the minds of several hon. Mem- one paramount subject and, no Bill rebers, whether the House should interfere gulating the franchise of Liverpool could be with an election after a dissolution of expected to go through the House : besides, Parliament, but they had at length been he considered that when hon. Members convinced, that such bribery and corrup- themselves knew they represented the same tion as had degraded the electors of Liver- corrupt interests, to bring in and pass

such pool ought not to go unpunished, yet the a bill was hardly honest. A sanction had same Gentlemen who had twice before been given to bribery by nomination borefused to agree to a writ being issued, were roughs, and the best way now was, to denow again called upon to vote that these clare an amnesty, and turn over a new corrupt electors were to have another Mem- leaf, and when they had a Reformed Parber to watch over their interests during the liament it was to be hoped and expected

The hon. Member who introduced all the Members of it would be returned the question had told the House, there was upon pure principles ; but should a case of no precedent for suspending a writ for prior corruption occur then, it ought to be delinquencies : if there was no precedent punished most severely. It was said, the in favour of it, there was certainly none House had already come to decisions against it, and, therefore, in the absence during the present Session inconsistent of precedent, the House must make one, with the Motion before it, but hon. Genand he had no doubt that would be founded tlemen who voted upon such occasions on the principle of preventing bribery and must have done so under the impression corruption, by whomsoever practised. The that the hon. member for Wiltshire's Bill fact, however, was, no circumstances had would become a law during the present before occurred precisely similar to the Session, but as there was now no hope present, therefore no opinion of the House of that he trusted the House would sancon the subject had been recorded. He be- tion the issuing of the writ forthwith. lieved that most of the hon, Gentlemen Mr. Benett was prepared to vote for who had advocated and supported the the Amendment, and was sorry to hear schedules in the late Reform Bill did so Reformers attempting to defend a case of upon the conviction that the franchise was such gross corruption as that of Liverpool. a trust which might be resumed by Par-Out of 4,300 freemen of Liverpool only liament and the Sovereign, when those in 300 were not proved guilty of corruption. whose hands it was placed could not exer- How could the House, therefore, when cise it with advantage to themselves, and for they had a Bill still upon their Table the benefit of the country. It was upon to punish the corrupt electors, send them such principles he had voted for these a writ to to return another Member. He schedules. How, then, in consistency submitted that there could be no practical with these principles could hon.' Mem- hardship in leaving that town without a bers be expected to allow again the privi- second Member during the recess. lege of returning a Member to those elect- Mr. Gisborne said, that he should supors who had been legally proved to have port the issuing of the writ, on the prinbeen guilty of the most gross corruption. ciple that the King's writ had issued since He should, therefore, move as an amend the corrupt election complained of, and of ment. “ That this House will not order the return to that writ-no complaint could any warrant to issue a new Writ for the be made. If the electors had been found electing of a Burgess to serve in the pre- competent to make one good return after sent Parliament for the borough of Liver- the commission of the offence, surely they pool until the expiration of fourteen days ought to be trusted a second time. after the commencement of the next Mr. Ewart supported the issuing of the Session of Parliament."

writ. The great mercantile transactions Mr. John Campbell said, it would of the place required that another Membe a great injustice to the merchants ber should be afforded to it as soon as of Liverpool if the writ should be possible. The House ought not to be withheld after the prorogation of Parlia- guided by precedent alone but by expediment. The consequence would be, to de- ency, and it was inexpedient to leave prive Liverpool of one Member during Liverpool with only one Member,

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