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given them the power to decide in their would necessarily be to rule by the sword; own case. When the peace of the country and if such a course were adopted, it was endangered, and a handful of men- would drive the people to the alternative a faction-could stand out against the which they were desirous to avoid. It was wishes of twenty millions, it was not to be to prevent the coming of that alternative wondered at that exasperating conduct that he for one was desirous to put down and offensive language should lead to or to prevent all violence to person or proviolent results. He heard hon. Gentlemen perty. Therefore it was, that he deeply calling on his Majesty's Ministers to put regretted the violence which had been down the rioters, and to prevent acts ofered to the Marquis of Londonderry. of incendiarism, as if those Gentlemen But he must, at the same time, protest in themselves did not know, of their own ex- the name of the people of England against perience, that it was impossible to prevent any such stigma being cast on them. those occurrences which suddenly arose Mr. Trevor said, that the hon, member from accidental causes of excitement. for Middlesex had misrepresented him. He They had occurred in all periods of our had not said that the people of England history, and at no time had they been were bloody-minded; and he should take more frequent than in October last, when shame to himself if he had been betrayed his Majesty's present Ministers could into the use of such language towards the scarcely be blamed for them. Why did great body of his countrymen. What he not hon. Gentlemen near him come for- had said was, that the Peers who had ward then to accuse the Government opposed the Reform Bill, owing to the exwhich was then in power. Was it because citement that had been raised by an inthe objects of the incendiary's rage were flammatory Press, had been exposed to the then only corn-stacks, and farm-houses, merciless attacks of a reckless and bloodyand barns? Were these of no consequence? minded mob; but God forbid that he But now, when an old castle, or rather the should confound with such a mob the occasional lodging-house of a Peer-for it people of England. If the hon. Member was magnified, to give greater importance had seen the attack which was made upon to the outrage-when the hem of the the Marquis of Londonderry, at the door of garment of the Duke of Newcastle was the Palace-if the hon. Member had heard touched, the Government was held respon- as, upon his life, he (Mr. Trevor) had sible for not having prevented the accident. heard, the cries of .cut his throat," To make so marked a distinction between “ murder him"_if the hon. Member had outrages upon the property of farmers, and seen and heard this, the hon. Member those that were committed upon the pro- could not have complained of his having perty of Peers, did not seem to him to be said, that the life of the Marquis of Lonequal justice to the high and the low. donderry had been exposed to the attacks But if the people would take his advice, of a bloody-minded mob. they would not give to their enemies the Mr. Charles Grant had heard with the triumph of a single pane of glass being deepest pain and affliction what had fallen broken; and by that course they them from hon. Members in the course of selves would triumph more than they could this debate. He had hoped that, after by resenting the exasperating language they had brought to a close their discuswith which their enemies chose to temptsions upon the great measure of Reform, them. In the large assemblage of his every one, at least, that was placed in the countrymen which he had that day had high and responsible situation of a legisthe honour to meet, there were men as lator, would have carefully abstained from much distinguished for talent and as re- saying one word which could by possibility spectable on account of property as any tend to excite the feelings of the people. man in that House; and their sole anxiety Sorry, indeed, had he been to find that night was, to preserve tranquillity. He could that so reasonable a hope had been utterly not, therefore, patiently hear them accused disappointed. He must say, with regard to as rioters, and the Government blamed for the language of Gentlemen on both sides not publishing proclamations to prevent the House, that he had heard what had their assembling. The course which the fallen from them with the most heartfelt hon. Gentleman below him (Mr. Trevor) regret. He was sensible that the themes would recommend that was, to prevent upon which hon. Gentlemen had so unsuch meetings by the King's proclamation, I sparingly descanted that night, were no light themes even to advert to. He joined to, it would fill him at once with the with those who had expressed so strong sincerest pleasure and with the deepest and so just reprobation of the outrages gratitude. that had been committed, and at violations Mr. Hunt said, that notwithstanding of the law from which they ought all to the admonition which the House had reshrink with horror, but which becameceived from the right hon. Gentleman who doubly appalling when no other pretence had just sat down, it was impossible for was set up for the palliation of that which any man who felt for his country, to sit never could be justified, than that the silent on this occasion. For his part, he great and the noble had performed what would not consent to do so after the lanthey believed to be their duty, and what guage which he had heard from the hon, no one disputed that they had a right to member for Middlesex. What was the do. But this reprobation would have found fact? A Member of the other House of an echo in every well-regulated mind, and Parliament, the Marquis of Londonderry, he could not, therefore, help bitterly re- in coming down to do his duty to-night, gretting the unnecessary heat with which as a Member of the Legislature, had been it had been urged-heat which had caused grossly assulted by a cowardly mob. it to be mixed with matters altogether irre- Blood had been shed. A Peer had been levant, and with topics which could hardly wounded. And the hon. member for be discussed in any assembly without pro- Middlesex would have it sent forth to the ducing great excitement. If he regretted country that all this was accident. Was this, how much more must be regret that not that an encouragement to mobs to Gentlemen could have so far forgotten vent their anger to the utmost upon all themselves as to impute to persons in the those with whose opinions they did not highest stations, connivance at outrages agree? The hon. member for Middlesex which could be countenanced only by the did not content himself by saying that the most vicious or the most ignorant? He attack upon the Marquis of Londonderry would not suffer himself to be led, even by was an accident, but he called the fires at such provocation, into the use of violent Nottingham trifling occurrences. The language; but he could not help express- hon. Gentleman compared those outrages ing his regret that his hon, and learned to the burning of corn-stacks and farmfriend, however heated, however irritated, houses, by a peasantry driven to desperashould have so far forgotten what was due tion by hunger. But he (Mr. Hunt) had to himself, what was due to that assembly, risen to reply to the right hon, member for and what was due to common justice, as Windsor, who, with a great degree of to have ascribed to Ministers motives which anger and indignation, had accused hon. he was sure his hon. and learned friend Members upon the Opposition side of the must see, upon a moment's reflection, House of a perversion of facts. He did could not influence any honourable mind. not think that they had perverted one fact. He did not wish to protract this discussion, But he would ask the hon.member for Windand he would resist the strong provocation sor, did not he attempt to pervert facts? he had received to enter upon many of the Did he not say, that the letters of the topics which had been brought under dis- noble Lord, the Chancellor of the Exchecussion. Would, then, the House permit quer, and of the Paymaster of the Forces, him, for the sake of the dignity of the had not been addressed to the Birmingham House, for the sake of the peace and com- Union, but to the gentlemen who presided posure of the country, and appealing to at the meeting which voted thanks to those the feelings of every honest and noble- noble Lords? He must say, that that minded man who heard him—would, he was a perversion of facts. The meeting said, the House permit him to entreat had been called by the Council of the that this discussion be closed and put an Birmingham Political Union, who invited end to? He would not have made this otherUnionsin Staffordshire to attend there. appeal but from a strong conviction that Upon the call of the Birmingham Union, the most fatal consequences to the country therefore, those other Unions did attend, would result from the prolongation of the with banners, bearing the names of the debate. He did hope, that there was places they came from, and devices expres. sufficient patriotism in the House of Com- sive of their political sentiments. Now mons not to allow him to make this appeal that was precisely what happened at Manin vain; and if that appeal were listened ) chester, at a meeting at which he presided ing held
in 1819. The number of persons as | to proceed in their mischievous course of sembled was nearly the same. But there reviling and holding up to public vengeance was one great difference between the two Peers and Members of Parliament. He meetings the one held at Manchester was perfectly ready to admit, that the did not vote a resolution to resist the pay-people in some parts of the country, and ment of taxes. They had assembled only about the metropolis, were in a state of to petition Parliament for Reform, and for a great excitement; but did that justify the repeal of the Corn-laws. Yet on that occa- Government in asserting that the nation was sion thirteen people were killed by the mili- unanimous in their support? Did not the tary, and a great number were wounded. conduct of the people of Dorsetshire falsify But the people at the Birmingham meet- such a statement ? and was it not plain
up their hands, without a single enough that, even in the county with exception, in favour of a resolution to re- which the Chancellor of the Exchequer sist the paynient of taxes, because the was himself connected, there did exist House of Lords liad thrown out the Reform considerable difference of opinion? And Bill. Was not that illegal? It was no surely no man could call the late election at business of his to call the Ministers to ac- Dublin an unanimous declaration in favour count for whatever letter they chose to of the Bill. He had himself lately attendwrite, but he would take the liberty of ed a meeting which separated without perasking them, was it wise to write a letter of sonal violencewithout breaking windows thankful acknowledgment to the Chairman -unlike the meetings at which other hon. of the meeting which had passed the reso- Members in that House had thought prolution ?, He could not concur with the per to attend. At the meeting which he right hon. member for Windsor, that there attended, the question on the Bill was put, was any great wisdom in that. He did not and the numbers for it were seven, while go the length of accusing the Ministers of those against it were 2,000. He did not conniving at the atrocities which had been possess sufficient influence over the people committed lately, nor of anything which to delude or to deceive them; but the hon. might have been done by the multitude member for Middlesex certainly possessed that were assembled that day; but he sufficient influence for that purpose, for he would remind them, that the meeting at succeeded in persuading them that they Manchester had been violently dispersed, would derive more advantage from the Bill on the ground that so great an assemblage than in his conscience he believed would of the people was dangerous to the public ever accrue from it. No doubt those who peace. The hon, member for Borough collected great multitudes were responsible bridge had accused the Government of for their conduct in so calling them toconniving at the present riots. Whether gether; and those who previously furnishthere might or might not be foundationed the means of excitement to meetings to for that charge, there could be no doubt be afterwards called, were likewise responthat the Press had put forward threats of sible for results. Did any one suppose the vengeance which should be executed that the multitude who followed the hon. upon such Peers as might oppose the Bill. member for Middlesex were ignorant of Had they not heard that the Peers were to the letters which that morning had been be put in schedule A, if they did not agree published from the two noble Lords opto pass the Bill ? and some Latin quotation posite? Would not those letters then be had been used in the Times newspaper of received by the great mass of the people yesterday,about strike at the face["quote".] present as sanctioning the proceeding in Hon. Members might call on him to quote, which they were engaged? He would but he begged to inform them that he had again say, that he thought it most extraforgotten more Latin than most of them ordinary that any Government should have had ever learned. He made no pretensions allowed the
public Press to run the length to being a literary character. It was a which the Press in these days had gone; long time since he went to school, and he and if this state of things went on, where was not one of those who kept up classical would it stop? The right hon. member reading -- he made no pretension to being for Windsor might laugh, but matters a quoter of Latin. But to turn to matters might soon become serious. It might be more important. A good ground of com- all very well for a time, but sooner or plaint had been laid against the Govern later Ministers would regret the turbulence ment. It was for suffering the Press which it served their present purpose to permit- the time might come when it meeting to which he had already alluded, would put their noses out of joint. Really which took place within these few days in the state of things was alarming, and not the metropolis, though there were 2,000 easily understood. At the very moment within the walls of the building, there were when the Duke of Newcastle's place was from 3,000 to 4,000 persons collected outbeing destroyed, the militarywere parading side the doors, and, even in the present the streets of Nottingham, but would not disturbed state of the metropolis, they went march to its rescue, having no orders to home without committing a single act of that effect. Since then a rumour had gone violence towards person or property-not. abroad, that the people were proceeding to a window broken-not a word spoken Belvoir Castle with the same purpose.
If about violence of any sort, and yet it was they allowed the present state of things to anything but a Whig meeting. On the continue and grow worse, they must in occasion of the meeting to which he was the end call out the military, Did he, then referring, he addressed the meeting. therefore, advocate acts of violence? | He thought it necessary to be thus parQuite the contrary; but he then, and at ticular in giving an account of what ocall times, very much questioned the pro- curred, as the Press had grossly misrepredence and expediency of large bodies of sented him. He told the people of the men going up to the King for the purpose gross mischief of which the Press was of presenting petitions-it bore the appear- guilty-he desired them not to be deance of intimidation: and in the year 1816, ceived by any one telling them that the at the Spafields meeting, when it was pro- Bill would not be so good for them as posed that the whole body of those present some people represented, and he added, should go up to the Prince Regent with that if the 101. householders thought proan Address, it would have been agreed to per to refuse paying taxes which he but for him ; he owed it to his own safety, thought would be very wrong on their and to his own character, not to implicate parts that was no rule for the people. himself in any such proceeding. He had He said, too, don't you (the people) refuse some influence in those days, and he pre- to pay your taxes; and that meeting sepavailed upon the meeting to give up the rated without the slightest indication of a design of proceeding in a body to the riot. See how different was the fact with Palace. He requested the assembled respect to other meetings which took place. people to interest themselves with the Even that very day he heard that a police petition, and he would take care that it constable had been assassinated. should reach the hands of the Prince Mr. Lamb: There is no truth in that Regent. He told them that Parliamentary rumour. Reform was the one thing needful, and Mr. Hunt resumed. He was glad that did not encourage them, as the Press of the statement was without foundation, that day did, to break open the shops of Breaches of the peace he should always the butchers and the bakers. What he most deeply regret. But, in times, and said then, and what he continued now to under circumstances, who were most pesay, was, that the first step was to obtain culiarly responsible for breaches of the for the people the privilege of being duly peace? Why, the Government; and it represented in Parliament. At the several was now full time that all this sort of meetings at which he attended or took an work should be put an end to—the Goactive part, the people uniformly went vernment ought to feel that they had had home in the most orderly and peaceable enough of approbation. Thev must be manner; and not so much as a single very cormorants in the love of praise, if pane of glass was broken. No doubt they desired to have any more. He really ihere was some mischief done in Bristol thought the time had arrived when Minison one occasion ; during an election there ters might be satisfied with the expression was some serious rioting in that place, but of public feeling to which recent events that was after he went to bed, having been bad given rise, and they ought now to fatigued in consequence of attending all adopt some means for protecting person day to the business of the election. He and property in this metropolis. He had did not deny that upon that occasion there understood that Commissioners Mayne was much violence, and that blood was, and Rowan had given directions that no shed; but never in his sight was there an man should be struck on the head unless intentional breach of the peace. At the he were detected in some act of violence, endangering life. For himself he had no sure it would have been well if he had fears—he had lived to little purpose, if he taken a little time for consideration. The could not venture amongst his fellow- hon. and learned Gentleman would not, citizens unarmed. At the same time if he perhaps, have been so much surprised at should encounter violence from a multi- what had taken place, if he had recollected tude, though he had but one life to lose, that, at the moment, it was not probable he would still defend that life he would that the means would be at hand to prenot die without resistance.
He by no
howmeans concurred with those hon. Mem- ever, to state, that these outrages could bers who thought that the present dis- not be continued. The moment their excussion ought to be cut short; on the istence was notified, measures were taken contrary, he thought that discussion would to put an end to them. He, however, be likely to produce beneficial results. If must say, that the hon. and learned Genthe multitude should be so cowardly and tleman took the most effectual way of enbloody as to attack single individuals, couraging those outrages, when, by his they ought manfully to defend themselves, speech, he sent it forth to the public, that which, though the boldest, was the safest the Government, by its conduct, connived course. It was cowardly and bloody to at such proceedings. Nothing could be attack single individuals; and he felt as- more injurious, nothing more dangerous sured that the people of England were into the peace of the country,than to state that capable of any thing of the sort, unless those whose duty, whose imperative duty, when peculiarly excited, or very grossly it was to prevent such outrages, had absomisled. But they now were under excite- lutely overlooked, or encouraged, or conment and misguidance, and he hoped that nived at them. the Government would at length see the Sir Charles Wetherell denied, that he necessity of interfering for the preservation had used the word “ encouraged.” He of person and property, and the preserva- had said permitted or connived. tion of the public peace.
Mr. Lamb said, the admission of the Mr. Lamb said, he felt it necessary to hon, and learned Gentleman was quite make a few observations, in consequence sufficient. Such a declaration, it must be of the censure which the hon. and learned evident to all, was exceedingly dangerous. Gentleman opposite had thought fit to As to an assassination having been perpecast on the department to which he be trated that evening, 10 which circumstance longed, for it was evident that his remarks the hon, member for Preston had alluded, were directed in fact, though not in terms, he had, he was happy to say, received a against that department. In doing so, he notification, from which it appeared that would premise, that however severe the no such circumstance had taken place. language of the hon. and learned Gentle- On that point, so contradicted, he would man might have been, he hoped that he not dwell—he would build no argument should, in the few words which he meant to upon it. He would speak only of the address to the House, although his feelings general outrages, and these, he would were somewhat wounded, preserve that say, demanded, and had received, the calm spirit, and that cool feeling, which prompt attention of Government. He could every hon. Member ought to command, in assure the House, that the utmost vigilthe present state of public affairs. He didance would be exercised for the preservanot know_indeed, he could not conceivetion of the public peace. upon what acts, or upon what omissions, measures for effecting that object would the hon. and learned Gentleman had be taken, without distinction as to persons chosen to cast upon the Home Department of any party. With respect to the outrage the responsibility of certain circumstances perpetrated at the house of the Duke of which had that night formed the subject Wellington, no man regretted it more of discussion. He, however, would chal- deeply than he did; but it was one of lenge inquiry—yes, the most rigid inquiry those occurrences which would sometimes --into the proceedings of the department happen, in spite of the utmost exertion. with which he was connected. He thought Allusion had been made to what he had that, before the hon, and learned Gentle- said on a former occasion, as to large man had entered into a tirade relative to bodies of the people meeting together. what had occurred at Nottingham-before He did not disavow the language which he he made it the ground of charge and cen- | had then used ; and when Gentlemen talked