40.00 50.00 50.00 40.00 20.00 50.00 20.00 White, G. C., policeman, Dec. 1, 1907. Wortz, Edward, policeman, Aug. 1, 1916. Total monthly pension roll, police department.... 10. 00 8.00 50.00 50.00 30.00 10.00 35.00 35.00 69. 16 25.00 11, 463. 41 Mr. BUCHANAN. Are these pensioners old, retired men? Col. KUTZ. Yes, sir; these men are stated to be between 70 and 80 years of age. Mr. SISSON. How much do the policemen and firemen contribute monthly to this fund? Maj. GESSFORD. One and one-half per cent. Mr. SISSON. How much does that lack of paying the amount they are allowed by law now? Col. KUTZ. That all depends on their years of service. Mr. SISSON. That is what I would like to know. How much has to be paid out of the Treasury over and above their own contribution? Col. KUTZ. I can tell you just what is collected each year from the force. Mr. SISSON. In other words, I want to know how the contribution is getting along: how your premiums meet your obligations, and how short, if any, they are of that amount, and whether we have to contribute out of the Treasury any considerable amount. Mr. DAVIS. You mean of the $224,000 in last year's appropriation, how much is contributed by the firemen and policemen and how much is contributed by the Government? Mr. SISSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CRAMTON. Those men covered by the $68,000 from 1911 to 1915 had not made any contribution from their salaries? Col. Kurz. A dollar a month. Mr. CRAMTON. Take it for 1911. Were the funds available in 1911 prorated, or were certain men paid in full and other men not paid in full? Col. KUTZ. No, sir; they were prorated. Mr. CRAMTON. These persons, as you say, of course, are old men. Perhaps some of them have died. In that case is payment made to their heirs, or is it in all cases to be paid to the person living? Col. KUTZ. I think the amount of $68,000 includes the amount allotted as pensions and the amount paid. Mr. CRAMTON. And if the pensioner has died, it is to be paid to some more or less remote relative? Col. KUTZ. I am quite certain the $68,000 covers the entire sum. Mr. CRAMTON. I will be glad to know to what extent the original pensioner is to be covered in that case. Mr. BUCHANAN. These are people who did not get their proper pensions? Mr. SISSON. They got their proper pensions Mr. BUCHANAN (interposing). Did they get any of their contributions back in pensions? They contribute a dollar a month; do they get any of that contribution back? Mr. CRAMTON. They got pro rata what was available. Col. KUTZ. They got the pro rata. Mr. BUCHANAN. Did they become pensioners after the pro rata was paid? Col. KUTZ. Congress cleared the decks in 1910 by making an appropriation to cover past deficits. and between 1910 and 1915 the accumulations in the pension fund were insufficient to pay the pensions that had been adjudged proper, and the amount available was prorated among the pensioners. Mr. BUCHANAN. Then this appropriation if made would be apportioned among the pensioners between 1910 and 1915? Col. KUTZ. Yes, sir. We will be glad to insert the number of those pensioners and how many of them are alive, or how many of them have since died. Deficiencies in police pension payments from January 1, 1911, to June 30, 1915. 238.80 190. 10 298.50 388.05 324.07 M. A. Canton. Deficiencies in fire pension payments from Jan. 1, 1911, to June 30, 1915. J. A. Albin. C. Angell.. C. F. Auffort. A. V. Beall. C. S. Boss. 298.50 L. A. Mastin. G. Mahorney. 179.10 179.10 328.35 G. R. McGee. 238.80 Total payments to pensioners of the police and fire departments, fiscal year 1920.. Derived from revenues (wholly) of the District of Columbia.. $189,347.90 158,500.00 36, 999. 49 8, 711. 43 SATURDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1920. HOUSE OF DETENTION. (See p. 378) STATEMENT OF MRS. W. C. VAN WINKLE, DIRECTOR OF HOUSE OF DETENTION AND DIRECTOR OF WOMEN'S BUREAU, POLICE DEPARTMENT. Mr. DAVIS. We started this morning to go over the estimates for the House of Detention; and there are quite a few things here that even the commissioners, I am sorry to say, did not fully understand; and the suggestion was made that you come before the committee and fully inform us on certain matters. Will you give us a short description of the activities of the House of Detention, what part you play in them, etc.? |