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Mr. HABIB. Those are correct, sir.

Mr. HAMILTON. Could you tell us to what extent those funds have already been expended?

Mr. HABIB. Yes; on the military side I will ask General Fish to give you the figures.



General FISH. Yes, sir.

The entire $275 million of total authority, including the drawdown, has been obligated. The position we find ourselves in now is that to continue the airlift which of course has been necessitated by the closing of the Mekong, we have to deobligate-in other words, cancel orders of ammunition, return it to get the moneys to continue the transportation.

[The following information was supplied:]


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1 Includes redistributable MAP materiel, overseas excess defense articles, MEDTC administrative costs (including military pay), and USAF maintenance/support costs (including military pay) for U.S. aircraft used under the Bird Air Co. contract. These costs are charged to the Cambodia ceiling but not to MAP funds.

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1 At consumption of 600 tons per day, Cambodian forces will run out completely of ammunition by Apr. 7. However, additional funds must be available by Mar. 20 to avoid a disruption in the supply pipeline


Mr. HAMILTON. Is the cost of the airlift in these figures? General FISH. Yes, sir. My point is we have obligated everything but that is not to say that at this moment in order to eke out a few

more days as we proceed that we can't adjust those obligations for ammunition, for instance, to provide the essential airlift. There would not be any point in having stuff in the pipeline.

Mr. HAMILTON. I understand.

What is the cost of the airlift on a daily basis, do you know?
General FISH. I have that figure here, sir.

Mr. HAMILTON. While you look for it let me ask some of these other questions.

Mr. HABIB. Could we answer your question on the economic side? Mr. HAMILTON. That is my next question.

Mr. HABIB. Mr. Zimmerly, could you tell us on the economic side?


Mr. ZIMMERLY. On the economic side, against the $100 million authorized we have obligated funds in the amount of $83 million. Against the Public Law 480 program of $77 million we have obligated and committed ourselves to a program there of $92.5. The total of those two is $175.5 million. We have $1.5 million that we have been using for negotiations to add funds to voluntary agency programs and for operating expenses.

Mr. HAMILTON. Now at present rates of expenditures, when will all of this money be gone?

Mr. HABIB. You mean gone in terms of

Mr. HAMILTON. Used up.

Mr. HABIB. Well, it is all used up now in the sense that it has been obligated. It is used up. That is what it means. When we obligate it, there is not any more funds to obligate and it is used up.

Mr. HAMILTON. So it is totally obligated now?

Mr. HABIB. Yes; except for the $1.5 million which Mr. Zimmerly mentioned.


Mr. HAMILTON. Did you give me a figure above $77 million on Public Law 480?


Mr. HAMILTON. $92.5 million.

Mr. HABIB. We used some of the $100 million.

Mr. HAMILTON. I see.

Mr. ZIMMERLY. We had the flexibility, as we understood it, within the $177 million to adjust as we felt necessary and we gave a higher priority to food under Public Law 480.

Mr. HAMILTON. What is the cost of the airlift?

General FISH. Five and a half million through February for airlift in Cambodia and we expect that to double between now and the end of the year. In other words, we will get up to about $10.5 million by the end of the fiscal year. This is through June.

Mr. HAMILTON. Is that each day?

General FISH. No, sir. That is the total for through the 28th of February and then the second figure I gave of $10.5 million would be through the end of June. I can work it out for you on a daily basis.


Mr. HAMILTON. That is satisfactory, General.

How much is Cambodia spending each day for ammunition? It had been reported $1.3 million.

General FISH. Would you repeat the question, sir?

Mr. HAMILTON. How much is Cambodia spending each day on ammunition?

General FISH. Our calculations on a daily basis would be calculating at a rate of about 600 tons a day which would be about $1.4 million. Let me check that for you.

It is about $1.4 million a day.

Mr. HAMILTON. At that rate how long can their supplies last?
General FISH. Sir, if you-

Mr. HAMILTON. I am talking now about supplies that are available with funds earmarked for Cambodia.


General FISH. Of course with all the qualifications that Secretary Habib made that we are now assuming a rate of say 600 tons a day, because that is the figure, we would expect them to run out early in April.

Mr. HAMILTON. Are there any supplies of ammunition in Cambodia today?

General FISH. Yes, sir.

Mr. HAMILTON. You are including those supplies in your calculations, of course?

General FISH. Yes.

Mr. HAMILTON. Ammunition is being flown in on a daily basis? General FISH. That is correct.

Mr. HAMILTON. Is it used the same day it is flown in?

General FISH. No, sir. I don't think we would have a distribution system that could tolerate that sort of thing. There is a depot there, there are some supplies. Of course some of the supplies are moved directly from the landing area to units because it is that close a situation. Some move into the depot and then are distributed, some are repackaged and flown to enclaves other than in the capital city and then are airlifted into these other areas.

Mr. HAMILTON. What percentage of the $222 million request is for ammunition?

General FISH. $171 million.


Mr. HAMILTON. How do you break down the balance?

General FISH. All right, sir. I have that right here. Give me one


We have $171.3 million for ammunition; spares for the aircraft and the river boats total $5.5 million; spares for their vehicles, $10 million; communications equipment, $1.6 million-these are the radios that

keep their units in touch with each other. These are all items that are expended as part of the operation, in no way are they to expand the force. These are consumables as you call them. Everything I men tioned here are consumables. Then we have some miscellaneous things that total, including other supplies, some $8 million and finally supply operations, $25 million.

Now I would like to make the point, sir, that within the rules of the Congress provided in the current fiscal year there are certain things that we must charge against the ceiling such as the salaries of the U.S. delivery team that is in that country. Any of the costs that we have associated with Cambodia are chargeable against this ceiling, so that is also a part that we have to ask the Congress to give us the obligation authority to proceed through the year, because the efficient delivery of these supplies would not exist without that.


Mr. HAMILTON. What percentage of the Lon Nol government resources does the United States provide?

Mr. HABIB. Let's see if we can get you some kind of an estimate. My guess would be a very high percentage.

Mr. HAMILTON. Give me a round-house figure now.

Mr. HABIB. I cannot give you a round-house figure.

Mr. HAMILTON. Over 90 percent?

Mr. HABIB. No, no, not as high as 90.

Well, my expert won't even give me an estimate which I might or might not be prepared to use. We will give you an estimate this afternoon but it would be a very high percentage.

Mr. HAMILTON. Would you also get the percent that is internally generated?

Mr. HABIB. Yes, sir.

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The United States currently supplies 80% to 85% of the total rice consumed in the GKR-controlled areas.


The United States supplies about 90 percent of the GKR's nonmilitary require ments for foreign exchange through AID and Public Law 480 programs. The balance is provided through other donations to the exchange support fund and by Khmer export earnings.


The United States in 1974 provided about a third of the GKR's national domestic budget. GKR revenues provided somewhat less than one-third of total budget expenditures, and deficit spending provided slightly over one-third of budget requirements (see table I). In addition, the U.S. provided most of Khmer extrabudgetary expenditures for U.S. voluntary agencies, international organizations, and the Resettlement and Development Foundation.

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1 In addition, extra budgetary expenditures, consisting primarily of U.S. counterpart releases to voluntary agencies and the Resettlement and Development Foundation for refugee support, totaled 15.5 billion riels in 1974 and are projected at 56.2 billion riels for 1975.


Mr. HAMILTON. What percent of Cambodia does the Khmer Rouge now control?

Mr. HABIB. In terms of population, about one-third.
Mr. HAMILTON. How about in terms of geography?
Mr. HABIB. In terms of geography about 80 percent.
General FISH. Well, there is 80 percent I would say-

Mr. HABIB. Do you want to get into this argument about what is control?

General FISH. Yes.

Mr. HABIB. It is the old argument about control. If you go across something, is it control? Or if you cannot go across it, can you control it? The answer is that in terms of actual within-perimeter territory the government in Phnom Penh has about 20 percent of the territory; the rest of it is either Khmer Rouge or it is no man's land where nobody is, but for all practical purposes the Khmer Rouge have access to it and the government does not seek access or does not attempt to get access to it.

Mr. HAMILTON. In terms of population?

Mr. HABIB. About two-thirds of the population is within the perimeters and control of the government of Phnom Penh and one-third within the control of the Khmer Rouge. The number of refugees has been of course very large, and that is what accounts for that figure.


Mr. HAMILTON. Mr. Secretary, there are reports in the paper today that the airlift has been interrupted. I think the Secretary of Defense is quoted as saying that we are going to have to reassess our airlift. Could you comment on the danger, the risk of interruption? Now that is the only source of supply as I understand it to the country now.

Mr. HABIB. Basically at the moment it is the principal source of supply.

Mr. HAMILTON. And the rockets

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