NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTAL AND FIELD PERSONNEL Mr. TARVER. How many employees are there in the Federal Se curity Agency both in Washington and in the field? Mr. McLEAN. I have the figures-full-time employees, approximately 28,900. If we count some part-time employees, about 34,000. Mr. TARVER. How many in Washington? Mr. MCLEAN. In the Washington metropolitan area full time, approximately 5,900. Mr. TARVER. Will you insert in the record at this point your statement showing the exact number of employees in Washington, in the field, and the points at which those employees in the field are stationed with the number of employees stationed at each one? Mr. MCLEAN. Each point in the field? Mr. TARVER. That is right. Well, that might require too much detail. How many stations do you have in the field? Mr. MILLER. Well, there are nearly 500 Social Security Board field offices alone. Mr. TARVER. Would it be more easy to give the employees in the field by States? Mr. MILLER. We could do that either way. Mr. TARVER. I do not want to cause you too much trouble. Geographic distribution of employees1 1 Includes both full-time and part-time employees. Excludes employees who work without compensation or for $1 per annum, Public Health Service employees detailed to the armed forces, and Public Health Service employees on mobile duty without definite headquarters. 11 517 462 109 90 10 SALARY OF DIRECTOR OF PERSONNEL Mr. THOMAS. May I inquire the gentleman's name, the witness? Mr. McLEAN. Arthur McLean. Mr. THOMAS. You are the Director of Personnel? Mr. McLEAN. Yes. Mr. THOMAS. For the entire Federal Security Agency? Mr. McLEAN. That is right. Mr. THOMAS. How long have you been with the Agency? Mr. McLEAN. I have been with the agency since it was first created execept for 3 months with O. P. A. I have been with the Social Security Board since 1936. Mr. THOMAS. What is your classification? Mr. McLEAN. CAF-14, $6,500. Mr. THOMAS. You say you were with O. P. A.? Mr. MCLEAN. I was with O. P. A. 3 months, about 2 years ago. Mr. THOMAS. What was your classification when you left the Social Security Board to go to O. P. A.? Were you loaned? Mr. McLEAN. No, I transferred. I was at $1,600. Mr. THOMAS. What classification did you have when you went to O. P. A.? Mr. MCLEAN. I went to O. P. A. at CAF-13 $5,600, and came back to the Social Security at the same grade and became Assistant Director of Personnel when the position became vacant. Mr. THOMAS. What grade is that, now? Mr. MCLEAN. $5,600. Mr. THOMAS. And now you are what? Mr. McLEAN. $6,500, grade 14. Mr. THOMAS. That all took place in what period of time? Mr. McLEAN. From $4,600 to $5,600? Mr. THOMAS. Yes. Mr. McLEAN. Well, I went directly from $4,600 to $5,600. That was one promotion. Then I was in this $5,600 job I think about a year. Mr. THOMAS. What is your compensation now plus overtime? Mr. MCLEAN. It would be about $7,128, I think, including overtime. Mr. THOMAS. In what period of time then did you jump from $4,600to $7,000 plus overtime? Mr. MCLEAN. That would be about 3 years I think. Mr. THOMAS. The last 3 years? Mr. MCLEAN. Yes. Part of which is overtime. Mr. THOMAS. The war effort has been rather burdensome on you, has it not? Mr. MCLEAN. My progress has been rather consistent since I have been with the Government. It has been no more rapid in wartime than before. Mr. THOMAS. These boys overseas have been there over 3 years making $50 a month during the time you have had an increase of about $3,600 in salary. Mr. ENGEL. Do you have Mr. Barnett's place? Mr. McLEAN. Yes. Mr. ENGEL. How much did Mr. Barnett receive? What was his salary? Mr. McLEAN. At present? Mr. ENGEL. No; in this job. Mr. MCLEAN. The same salary. Mr. ENGEL. $6.500? Mr. McLEAN. Yes. Mr. ENGEL. When he was personnel officer of the Federal Security Agency he got $6,500, and you are taking his place and doing the job he was doing? Mr. McLEAN. That is right. Mr. HARE. I want to ask you about this language on page 230, Mr. Miller, new language "including personal services in the District of Columbia." Mr. MILLER. I understand that that provision is required in order to be able to pay salaries in Washington; that an appropriation can be made for salaries in the field without that, but if it is for salaries in Washington it has to be so stated in the appropriation. DIVISION OF SERVICE OPERATIONS--SALARIES Mr. HARE. Any other question on that item? If not, the next item is page 419, "Division of Service Operations, Federal Security Agency. We will insert this page in the record. Salaries, Division of Service Operations, Federal Security Agency Regular appropriation, 1945 act.. Supplemental appropriation for 1945__ Total appropriation, 1945. Deduct: Cost of overtime for 1945. $295,000 235,000 51. 860 Mr. HARE. The appropriation last year was $295,000, deducting overtime $51,860, for 1946 the base is $243,140; a decrease of $140 there. Any question? Mr. TARVER. You had better not talk to him if we are saving $140. Mr. ENGEL. Why can we not decrease that some more? That is a fair question. Mr. MILLER. Well, you have been decreasing that appropriation every year, and we tried to keep ahead of you this time, Congressman Engel, by coming up with a decrease. Mr. HARE. Any questions. OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL, SALARIES The next item is found on page 421, "Salaries, Office of the General Counsel, Federal Security Agency." Insert this page in the record if there is no objection. Salaries, Office of the General Counsel, Federal Security Agency Regular Appropriation, 1945 act. Supplemental appropriation for 1945. Total appropriation, 1945. Add: Transfer from Office of Vocational Rehabilitation_ Base for 1946. $574, 000 574, 000 23, 074 84, 492 512, 582 Total changes from 1946 base_ Total estimate for 1946 $15, 418 512, 582 528, 000 Mr. HARE. The appropriation for 1945 is $574,000. The base for 1946 is $512,582 after deducting $84,492 for overtime and transferring from the Office of Vocational Rehabilitation $23,074. Your estimate for 1946 is $528,000, an increase of $15,418. Mr. MILLER. Mr. Tate, the general counsel, will justify that. The appropriation for 1945 without overtime was $512,582. Of this amount $13,928 is for five new positions, three attorneys and two stenographers-two attorneys and one stenographer for public health work and one attorney and one stenographer for food and drug work. The remainder, of course, is $1,490, and that is for in-grade promotions occurring during 1945. Now, the figure of $528,000 for regular salaries for 1946 I might compare with the amount available to the Office by appropriation for the same purpose in 1941, which was $599,940. Thus it is anticipated that the Office will operate in 1946 for about $72,000 less in base pay than in 1941, which was the first year of the existence of the Office. The Office will perform the services for all the Federal Security Agency, including the Social Security Board, Public Health Service, Office of Education, and Food and Drug Administration and the other parts for about $12,000 less than the amount appropriated in 1941 for the legal services to the Social Security Board alone. Mr. HARE. Well, I think probably you had better go direct to justify the grounds upon which these additional positions are requested. Mr. ENGEL. Just one question. Did you have the same number of agencies in 1941 as you have now, or were any agencies added after 1941 ? Mr. TATE. Well, approximately the same number of agencies. In 1941 we had C. C. C. and N. Y. A. Today we have an additional agency in the Office of Vocational Rehabilitation but I should say in 1941 at the time of the transfer there was no money transferred to the Office for the C. C. C. and the N. Y. A. work. Now, Mr. Chairman, would you like me to go through the organization of the Office and would you like for me to tell Mr. HARE. I would like for you to state specifically why you need these five additional people and what they are going to do. It is new service and we have to justify it. Mr. TATE. Well, the increase is for the Food and Drug Administration and for work of the Public Health Service. With the Food and Drug Administration I think if I go over the work of that division you will see why I think the increase of one attorney at P-3 and one secretary is necessary in connection with that work. That division of the Office renders all the legal services in connection with the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and the other acts administered by the Food and Drug Administration, that is the Import |