Mr. LATIMER. I might point out in that connection, Mr. Chairman, that some part of the reduction in the estimate of the miscellaneous expenses is again attributable to this matter of overtime. I think I mentioned that once before, but this item of transfers to the Treasury which we included in "Miscellaneous expenses," I think I mentioned before, is a contractual service performed by us to the Treasury and is in large part of a reimbursement by us to them for Treasury personnel. And of course, if the costs go up by reason of the overtime, our transfers to the Treasury must go up. We have an estimate in here if the cost per check will go up, allowing provision here of 4.2 cents per check to 5 cents if overtime is to be included. Otherwise this estimate, of course, stays as it is. CARRIERS' TAXES AND APPROPRIATIONS, FISCAL YEARS 1934-44 Mr. HARE. I think, Mr. Engel, we might insert page 77. Mr. ENGEL. All right. (Page 77 follows:) Carriers' taxes and appropriations for retirement-Comparative summary by fiscal years to June 30, 1945 Mr. LATIMER. Yes, sir. That gives the total story of all the taxes collected, all the appropriations made. As I say, we try to balance out each year all the appropriations against all the taxes and the military service appropriation. Mr. ENGEL. That is only the retirement? Mr. LATIMER. Yes. Of course, the other goes into the benefit account. It is self-balancing. Mr. HARE. Now, could you state definitely for the record the total amount of the appropriation called for in this bill on the Treasury of the United States? You state some of these appropriations are made from your retirement fund? PENALTY Mr. LATIMER. Well, there is to be covered by general funds two items. There is the first the item of penalty mail, the complete background of which I do not know, but I have been told is to come from the general fund of the Treasury and is not balanced against the taxes. Mr. HARE. How much is that? Mr. LATIMER. $60,000 for 1946. It has been $65,000 for 1945. That is under Public Law 529 of December 22, 1944. With the background of that I am not familiar. Mr. HARE. How many man-hours are involved in this field of penalty mail work? Mr. LATIMER. No man-hours. This is a transfer to the Post Office Department. How many man-hours involves them Mr. HARE. Who handles that? Mr. LATIMER. Who handles? Mr. HARE. Yes. Mr. LATIMER. Well, the $60,000 which is here appropriated for penalty mail, we would assume, would be paid by us to the Treasury Department. Do you mean who handles the measurement of how much we have to pay and weighs it out? Mr. HARE. Yes. Somebody has to distribute this mail around, handle it. Mr. LA MOTTE. This only covers the 11⁄2 cents per envelope that used to come under the franking privilege. Mr. HARE. Oh, yes. Mr. LATIMER. It takes, however, about two man-years each year tohandle the accounting procedures now required in connection with penalty mail. Mr. LA MOTTE. We do have today a little bit extra, we have to take inventory at the end of the year and so forth. AMOUNT OF ESTIMATE FOR 1946 Mr. HARE. I do not think we have this in the record. If you would ask me right now how much money you are asking for for next year I would not be able to tell you. Mr. LATIMER. $294,141,000 is the total amount we have requested. Mr. HARE. From the Treasury? Now, Mr. LATIMER. That is the total amount we have requested. of that $60,000 is requested for penalty mail and the $36,427,593 is the request for the military service appropriation which comes from the general fund of the Treasury; so of the $294,141,000, $36,427,593 is requested from the Treasury and $257,653,407 will be covered by the taxes. Mr. HARE. That is, the taxes from the retirement fund? Mr. LATIMER. Taxes paid by the railroads and the railroad employees. Mr. HARE. Does that revenue go into the Treasury of the United States? Mr. LATIMER. It does, sir. Mr. HARE. However, we are taking it out? Mr. LATIMER. We are taking it out, and we try to take out the exact number of pennies that go in. Mr. HARE. You are not leaving any? Mr. LATIMER. Not one penny. Mr. HARE. Thank you, very much. Mr. LATIMER. This is Mr. Squire. He was here last year, I think, as a member of the Board. Mr. HARE. Oh, yes. Glad to see you again. Mr. LATIMER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is always a pleasure to be here. Mr. HARE. Well, we are always glad to have you. Demorest, J. R.. 44, 99 193 Dille, J. R.. Dodson, J. E. Douglass, F. P. Eliot, Dr. M. M. Farmer, Guy.. Jones, Richard Killough, H. B. Kirch, Arnold. Ladner, A. H., Jr. Larrabee, Miss Anne.. McComb, W. R. McConnell, Miss Beatrice_ Perkins, Hon. Frances. Reilly, G. D. Rockwell, A. J. Schwartz, H. H Shane, Harris.. Smart, E. A Smith, Mrs. Frances. Smith, R. C. Smith, O. S Squire, F. C. Swofford, Mrs. J. S_ Tolles, N. A Tracy, D. W Walling, L. M Warren, Mrs. Laura E. Watson, F. W. Wickens, Mrs. A. J. Zimmer, Verne... |