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DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND
INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR
1994

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED THIRD CONGRESS

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RICHARD N. Malow, Paul E. THOMSON, MICHELLE M. BURKETT, and DANIEL A. CANTU,

Staff Assistants

PART 6

Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

Resolution Trust Corporation...........

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky, Chairman

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi,

Vice Chairman

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
TOM BEVILL, Alabama

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania
CHARLES WILSON, Texas
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California
VIC FAZIO, California

W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

BOB CARR, Michigan

RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois
RONALD D. COLEMAN, Texas

ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia
JIM CHAPMAN, Texas
MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio
DAVID E. SKAGGS, Colorado

DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina
NANCY PELOSI, California

PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana

THOMAS M. FOGLIETTA, Pennsylvania ESTEBAN EDWARD TORRES, California GEORGE (BUDDY) DARDEN, Georgia

NITA M. LOWEY, New York

RAY THORNTON, Arkansas

JOSÉ E. SERRANO, New York

ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut

JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

DOUGLAS "PETE" PETERSON, Florida

JOHN W.OLVER, Massachusetts

ED PASTOR, Arizona

CARRIE P. MEEK, Florida

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
RALPH REGULA, Ohio

BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana
JERRY LEWIS, California
JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky

JOE SKEEN, New Mexico
FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia
TOM DELAY, Texas

JIM KOLBE, Arizona

DEAN A. GALLO, New Jersey

BARBARA F. VUCANOVICH, Nevada
JIM LIGHTFOOT, Iowa

RON PACKARD, California
SONNY CALLAHAN, Alabama

HELEN DELICH BENTLEY, Maryland
JAMES T. WALSH, New York

CHARLES H. TAYLOR, North Carolina
DAVID L. HOBSON, Ohio

ERNEST J. ISTOOK, JR., Oklahoma
HENRY BONILLA, Texas

FREDERICK G. MOHRMAN, Clerk and Staff Director

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DEPARTMENTS OF VETERANS AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND INDEPENDENT AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1994

MONDAY, APRIL 26, 1993.

DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT

WITNESSES

HENRY G. CISNEROS, SECRETARY

TERRENCE R. DUVERNAY, DEPUTY SECRETARY

JEAN NOLAN, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS

WILLIAM J. GILMARTIN, LEGISLATIVE OFFICER, OFFICE OF CONGRESSIONAL AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS

JAMES E. SCHOENBERGER, ASSOCIATE GENERAL DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, OFFICE OF HOUSING

MICHAEL B. JANIS, GENERAL DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, OFFICE OF PUBLIC AND INDIAN HOUSING

ROBERT P. KALISH, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, GOVERNMENT NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSOCIATION

DON I. PATCH, ACTING DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR GRANT PROGRAMS, OFFICE OF COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT LAWRENCE L. THOMPSON, GENERAL DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, OFFICE OF POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND RESEARCH

PAUL WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND FIELD COORDINATION, OFFICE OF FAIR HOUSING AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY JOHN J. CONNORS, DEPUTY INSPECTOR GENERAL, OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL

MICHAEL F. HILL, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR RESOURCE PLANNING AND OPERATIONS

HERBERT G. PERSIL, DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET OFFICER, OFFICE OF BUDGET

Mr. STOKES. The committee will come to order. We are pleased at this time to welcome Secretary Cisneros back before our subcommittee. This is his second appearance before the subcommittee this year.

We also welcome the new Deputy Secretary, Mr. Terry Duvernay. Mr. Duvernay.

Mr. Duvernay has appeared here at least a couple of times previously in different capacities.

Mr. Secretary, we would like to ask you to introduce any other principal witnesses at this time. Then I will have a further statement to make.

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