SAN FRANCISCO METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER Senator MCCLELLAN. You feel like you really need to move out of San Francisco? Mr. CARLSON. Very definitely. I spoke with the Federal judges on the bench in Northern California recently and they again reiterated the need for the facility. Senator MCCLELLAN. Again, did the House give any reason for denying this? Mr. CARLSON. No, Senator. WOMEN'S FACILITY Senator MCCLELLAN. What steps have been taken to obtain a Government-owned site as a correctional facility for women? Do you have a site out there in California, San Francisco? Mr. CARLSON. No, we do not. SUGGESTED UTILIZATION OF ABANDONED GOVERNMENT FACILITIES Senator MCCLELLAN. What I am trying to suggest here is an economy measure. It seems like our Government owns an awful lot of property, and instead of going out here and paying these terrific land prices of today to get these sites, take into account where the Government has surplus land and surplus plants that it has abandoned or had to close down and build some of these things in those areas. They are closing a Federal facility down at Pine Bluff, Ark. It is a multimillion-dollar chemical plant, which cost a hundred and some-odd million. There are thousands of acres of land there. I guess the Government will hold on to it. That is just one installation. There are others in other States. Somewhere close to California, the Government no doubt has a lot of surplus property where you could secure the site and not have to go out and spend thousands of dollars an acre. I guess on the west coast it is worse than in Arkansas. In Arkansas, if you go to buy a site anywhere near a town, it will run $2,000 or $3,000 an acre. Mr. PELLERZI. That is the approach the Department uses, Senator. You described it pretty well. We go through the surplus, the GSA sites, we try to trade sites. Senator MCCLELLAN. That same thing will apply to the facility in North Carolina. That site was made available to you by the State. We have got another one here, Government-owned site as a correctional facility that is planned with a $2,055,000 request in the western section of the country. Where is that going to be built, around San Francisco? Mr. CARLSON. No decision has been reached as to the location, even as to the State. Senator McCLELLAN. Look at the Southwest section. REQUIREMENT FOR WOMEN'S FACILITY WEST OF MISSISSIPPI Mr. CARLSON. The need for a new institution for female offenders is clearly west of the Mississippi, in terms of our population pressures. Senator MCCLELLAN. What is your real need for it? Mr. CARLSON. At the present time, Mr. Chairman, the female offenders on the west coast are confined in a small facility which is an add-on to our Federal correctional institution in California. It is actually adjacent to the facility. It is an institution which is poorly designed for its purpose, and is very crowded. It does not provide the types of facilities that we feel are essential to adequately treat the female offenders that are in our custody. Senator MCCLELLAN. What is the population that you have out there now? Mr. CARLSON. At the present time, we have 193 female offenders confined in the institution. In addition, we have contracted with some of the States in the west coast area, for the housing of some of our female offenders. Senator MCCLELLAN. So you have over 200 out there that need the accommodation? Mr. CARLSON. Well over 200, sir. Senator MCCLELLAN. Is that number increasing, too? Mr. CARLSON. Yes; the number of female offenders coming into custody is increasing. In addition, we see the same shift in types of offenders as I mentioned in connection with the male population. FACILITY AT ALDERSON, W. Va. Senator MCCLELLAN. Do you have any places over the Mississippi now where you do take care of them? Mr. CARLSON. Yes; we have one institution, at Alderson, W. Va., an institution totally designed for the female offender. At the present time we have 603 inmates confined in that institution. Senator MCCLELLAN. Are they there from all over the country, from west of the Mississippi, too? Mr. CARLSON. That is correct. Senator MCCLELLAN. Is that overcrowded? Mr. CARLSON. Yes, it is. It is very much overcrowded. Senator MCCLELLAN. What do you need to do, expand it, or build another one east of the Mississippi? Mr. CARLSON. In terms of our long-range planning, we have not firmed up our plans as to where to handle the female offender on the east coast. Right now we feel the No. 1 priority for the female offender is on the west coast. Senator MCCLELLAN. You would have to do without something, to defer your further investment in facilities here east of the Mississippi for later, so that you can take care of the more urgent need out there. Is that right? Mr. CARLSON. Yes, sir. BALTIMORE METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER Senator MCCLELLAN. What about your request in Baltimore? What is that? Mr. CARLSON. This is a metropolitan correctional center much like the facilities discussed in Chicago and San Francisco. Baltimore is another metropolitan area of the country where we have a relatively large number of Federal offenders housed and waiting trial before the U.S. district court. The facility is severely limited both in terms of size and availability. Senator MCCLELLAN. You say in the Baltimore area, do you include Washington, D.C., in that? Mr. CARLSON. No. The offenders from the District of Columbia are housed in the District of Columbia jail at Lorton operated by the District of Columbia Department of Corrections. It is a separate organization. Senator MCCLELLAN. I think from the reports, it is very crowded, too. Mr. CARLSON. Yes, it is, Senator. Senator MCCLELLAN. You need more facilities almost everywhere, don't you? Mr. CARLSON. That is correct, sir. CONSTRUCTION OF FEDERAL PRISONS: LONG RANGE PLANS Senator MCCLELLAN. It seems to me that you should consider a 10year program, of how many facilities you could build this year and next year, so it doesn't hit us at once, giving priority each year to one or two here or there or whichever we can afford. I think in view of this situation, maybe you should get up a plan, a tentative plan, at least something like that, and submit it so we can get an idea of what we are going to have to do and what we should do over a period of the next decade, say. Mr. CARLSON. Mr. Chairman, last November, the President requested that we do exactly this, develop a 10-year plan. Senator MCCLELLAN. Have you done that? Mr. CARLSON. We are presently working on the plan. I might add that the proposals in this year's budget are fully consistent with our 10-year plan. Senator MCCLELLAN. You haven't finished the plan? Mr. CARLSON. No. We are certain what we are asking for this year will be consistent with our long-range needs. Senator MCCLELLAN. Are there any other questions? Senator Smith? HOUSE ACTIONS ON CONSTRUCTION ITEMS Senator SMITH. I understand you to say that you didn't know why the House did not approve the item. Do you think it might be because it was not given a high enough priority by the Budget Bureau or perhaps you did not make it clear that you were simply figuring the design from now on? Mr. CARLSON. Senator Smith, I was appointed Director after the House appropriations hearing. I was not present and am not able to answer that question. Senator MCCLELLAN. The House put in the Chicago item last year, didn't they, and we took it out over here. Is that right? Mr. CARLSON. No. It was put in by the House this year, in the 1971 request. Senator HRUSKA. That was only for planning? Mr. CARLSON. That is correct, Senator. Senator MCCLELLAN. It wasn't in the House bill last year? PRIORITY OF APPEAL ITEMS Senator SMITH. Would you for the record supply the highest priority items that you have talked about? Mr. CARLSON. Yes, Senator Smith, we will. Senator MCCLELLAN. The highest out of the four you mean, Senator, that you are appealing? (The information follows:) 1st Priority-Medical Facility, Butner, N.C. 2nd Priority-Metropolitan Correctional Center, San Francisco, Calif. 3rd Priority-Facilities for Women, Western area. 4th Priority-Metropolitan Correctional Center, Baltimore, Md. area. NEW YORK DETENTION HEADQUARTERS Senator HRUSKA. Have construction funds been allowed for the New York detention headquarters in the present 1971 budget? Mr. CARLSON. Yes. Senator HRUSKA. To what extent? Mr. CARLSON. $15 million. IMPORTANCE OF FACILITY AT BUTNER, N.C. Senator HRUSKA. Mr. Chairman, I do hope that some progress can be made with Butner. It was just 10 years ago now, I went into it quite in depth. The need was urgent then. It is more dire now. The Springfield facility is 40 years old now and it doesn't serve the purpose. To have a 20,000 population with only 20 psychiatrists and in a population where psychiatrists are so much more needed percentagewise than in general population, is very, very deplorable. There can be a lot of preventive and a lot of rehabilitative work done in psychiatry with prisoners. Butner is very high on the list. I hope on your list it is, Mr. Carlson. Mr. CARLSON. It certainly is, Senator Hruska. Senator HRUSKA. I hope this committee and Congress will see eye to eye with you on that. It is long overdue. Senator MCCLELLAN. Are there any other questions? Senator HRUSKA. I have an observation. This is the first appearance of the new director here before us since his confirmation and swearing in. He has had a fine, fine career so far. We hope that what he embarked upon just recently will continue to broaden out to result in even better results than he had attained before. Mr. CARLSON. Thank you, Senator. Senator MCCLELLAN. We all join in that sentiment, I am sure. Do you get reports, do you have the statistical information on the population of the State prisons? Mr. CARLSON. No, we don't, Senator. This is one of the areas that is very badly needed. Senator MCCLELLAN. I tried to get that. We don't get it as accurately as we should. Mr. PELLERZI. It doesn't exist in accurate form now. This is one of the things that LEAA is going to be looking at. Senator MCCLELLAN. Thank you, gentlemen, very much. LAW ENFORCEMENT ASSISTANCE ADMINISTRATION STATEMENT OF RICHARD W. VELDE, ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR ACCOMPANIED BY: CLARENCE M. COSTER, ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR IRVING SLOTT, ACTING DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF DANIEL L. SKOLER, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ALLEN J. VANDER-STAAY, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF ADMINIS- WILLIAM E. CALDWELL, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF ACADEMIC GEORGE HALL, DIRECTOR, STATISTICS RESEARCH CENTER JOHN J. KAMINSKI, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF BUDGET AND BUDGET REQUEST AND HOUSE ALLOWANCE Senator MCCLELLAN. Our next witness is Mr. Richard W. Velde, Associate Administrator for the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. We welcome you, Mr. Velde. The next item relates to the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. The House allowed the full budget estimate, $480 million. You should be satisfied. Mr. VELDE. Yes, sir; we are. PREPARED STATEMENT Senator MCCLELLAN. You may proceed with your statement. You have quite a lengthy statement. Why don't you just place it in the record and highlight it? Mr. VELDE. All right, sir. (The statement follows:) I am Richard W. Velde, Associate Administrator for the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. Mr. Coster and I are here to support the budget request of $480,000,000 for the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. The $212,000,000 increase is requested for additional staff and program expansion. This increase consists of the following major items. 1. Uncontrollable increases, $1,279,000. These increases result from legislative actions relating to salary and benefit costs, per diem, annualization of additional positions authorized for the current year, and non-recurring costs. |