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LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS IN

THE PUBLIC SECTOR

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SPECIAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

ON

H.R. 12532, H.R. 7684, H.R. 9324

A BILL TO PROVIDE THAT EMPLOYEES OF STATES AND
POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS THEREOF SHALL BE SUBJECT
TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS
ACT

79-948

HEARINGS HELD IN WASHINGTON, D.C.,

MARCH 8, 9, 14, 21; APRIL 12, 13, 18, 26; MAY 2, AND 3, 1972

Printed for the use of the Committee on Education and Labor
CARL D. PERKINS, Chairman

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1972

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FRANK THOMPSON, JR., New Jersey
JOHN H. DENT, Pennsylvania
ROMAN C. PUCINSKI, Illinois
DOMINICK V. DANIELS, New Jersey
JOHN BRADEMAS, Indiana
JAMES G. O'HARA, Michigan
AUGUSTUS F. HAWKINS, California
WILLIAM D. FORD, Michigan
PATSY T. MINK, Hawaii
JAMES H. SCHEUER, New York
LLOYD MEEDS, Washington
PHILLIP BURTON, California
JOSEPH M. GAYDOS, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM "BILL" CLAY, Missouri
SHIRLEY CHISHOLM, New York
MARIO BIAGGI, New York
ELLA T. GRASSO, Connecticut
LOUISE DAY HICKS, Massachusetts
ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky
HERMAN BADILLO, New York

ALBERT H. QUIE, Minnesota
JOHN M. ASHBROOK, Ohio
ALPHONZO BELL, California
JOHN N. ERLENBORN, Illinois
JOHN DELLENBACK, Oregon
MARVIN L. ESCH, Michigan
EDWIN D. ESHLEMAN, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM A. STEIGER, Wisconsin
EARL F. LANDGREBE, Indiana
ORVAL HANSEN, Idaho

EARL B. RUTH, North Carolina
EDWIN B. FORSYTHE, New Jersey
VICTOR V. VEYSEY, California
JACK F. KEMP, New York
PETER A. PEYSER, New York
CLIFFARD D. CARLSON, Illinois

SPECIAL SUBCOMMITTEE ON LABOR

FRANK THOMPSON, JR., New Jersey, Chairman

WILLIAM "BILL" CLAY, Missouri LOUISE DAY HICKS, Massachusetts HERMAN BADILLO, New York JAMES G. O'HARA, Michigan

JOHN M. ASHBROOK, Ohio JOHN DELLENBACK, Oregon CLIFFARD D. CARLSON, Illinois

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Kheel, Theodore, labor mediator, New York.

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Cicero, Donald, president of National Society of Professors.
Horton, George, president of the Rutgers Chapter of American Asso-
ciation of University Professors _ _

Liebes, Richard, research director for Service Employees International
Union in Northern California; Richard E. Murphy, assistant to the
general president, and legislative director, SEIU; and Elinor Glenn,
general manager, Los Angeles County Employee Union Local 434-
Losornio, Raymond, chairman, board of directors, National Right
To Work Committee and Reed Larson, executive vice president............

Marshall, James F., president, Assembly of Governmental Employees,

accompanied by Rick Kinnersley, national vice president; Edward

Johns, Jr., executive director; R. J. McIntosh, chief counsel, Larry

Piche, president, John Doyle, executive director, Michigan; Dave

Carnevale, executive director, Art Valpe, staff, Maine; Tom Lyon,

president, Ed Gallant, executive director, Connecticut; Dennis

Parker, executive director, New Hampshire; Ray Hartzell, presi-

dent, Ohio; Charles Eble, executive director, Indiana.

Mason, Richard W., president, National Association of Professional

Educators; and Albert C. Johnson, vice president..

McClennan, W. H., president, International Association of Fire

Fighters, and Jack Waller, legislative representative....

Mikva, Hon. Abner J., a Representative in Congress from the State of

Illinois_

Morrison, Donald E., president, National Education Association,

accompanied by Belle Zeller, president-elect, American Society of

Professors, New York; Kai Erickson, associate executive secretary,

Michigan Education Association, East Lansing; Walter O'Brien,

director of development, New Jersey Education Association,

Trenton; and Robert Chanin, general counsel, National Education

Association....

Redfern, George B., associate executive secretary on behalf of the

American Association of School Administrators_.

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Selden, David, president, American Federation of Teachers, AFL-

CIO

Slavney, Morris, chairman, Wisconsin Employment Relations Com-

mission.

Steiger, Hon. Sam, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Arizona, accompanied by Carol Applegate, public school teacher,

Grand Blanc, Mich.; and James Nixon, Detroit municipal employee,

Detroit, Mich..

Taylor, Robert, national legislative chairman, American Association
of Classified School Employees, accompanied by Raphael Jones,
Dan Pilione, and Stephen S. Boynton.
Thompson, Robert T., member, Labor Relations Committee, Chamber
of Commerce of the United States__

Thompson, Richard E., legislative counsel, National League of Cities;

Mayor Robert B. Blackwell, Highland Park, Mich.; Ed Johnson,

executive director, League of Wisconsin Municipalities; and Walter

C. Kane, city administrator, Lakewood, Colo....

Triggs, Matt, assistant legislative director, American Farm Bureau

Federation...

Waldie, Hon. Jerome, R., a Representative in Congress from the State

of California....

Webb, Harold, executive director, National School Boards Association,
accompanied by Dr. August W. Steinhilber, Dr. Mark Hurwitz,
Dr. Norman Weinheimer and W. A. Wettergren....

Wilson, Henry T., legislative director, Federal-Public Service Division,

Laborers' International Union of North America.

Wurf, Jerry, president, American Federation of State, County, and

Municipal Employees, accompanied by Paul Minarchenko, director

of legislation; Abe Zwerdling, general counsel, Don Wasserman,

assistant for collective bargaining services; William Lucy, executive

assistant.

Prepared statements, letters, supplemental material, etc.:

Ahmuty, Alice L., R. N., director, Economic and General Welfare
Department of the American Nurses' Association, statement by...

Applegate, Mrs. Carol, public school teacher, Grand Blanc, Mich.,

statement of..

Blackwell, Hon. Robert B., mayor, Highland Park., Mich. :

Comments on H.R. 7684_.

"4,300 Employee-Employer Relations in Municipal Govern-

ment-Policy and Program," a statement entitled__

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Liebes, Richard, research director for Service Employees International
Union in Northern California, "Public Employee Developments in
1971," a magazine article entitled-----

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Prepared statements, letters, supplemental material, etc.—Continued
Marshall, James F., president, Assembly of Governmental Employees:
Butterfield, Linwood, president, Maine State Employees' Associa-
tion, statement on behalf of the association.......
Kinnersley, Richard B., executive director, Utah Public Em-
ployees' Association, Salt Lake City, Utah, letter to Chairman
Thompson, dated March 15, 1972.

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Letter from E. W. Lahn, executive secretary, Washington State
Employees' Association, dated March 27, 1972.

Parker, Denis W., executive director, State Employees' Associa-

tion of New Hampshire, letter to Chairman Thompson, dated

April 7, 1972__

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Piché, Lawrence A., president, Michigan State Employees' Asso-
ciation, letter to Chairman Thompson, dated April 6, 1972, en-
closing a table..........

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Statement of the Indiana State Employees' Association.
Mikva, Hon. Abner J., a Representative in Congress from the State
of Illinois, formal statement of

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Statement of___.

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Wilson, Henry T., legislative director, Federal-Public Service Division,
Laborers' International Union of North America, statement of...
Wurf, Jerry, international president, American Federation of State,
County and Municipal Employees, AFL-CIO, statement of...
Zeller, Belle, chairman, Legislative Conference, City University of
New York, statement of..

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