conference on preparation for marriage and homemaking, instituted by the Federal Council of Churches, Reverend Samuel McCrea Cavert, being given as at the head of the list of names, and I guess that is because his name begins with a C, and puts him there as a member of the committee that got out this pamphlet. Worth M. Tippy, of the Federal Council is another member, and by the way, he is given here as working for the freedom of Mooney, whom, as I have shown you, according to his own statements, is a communist, and Benjamin S. Winchester, another secretary of the Federal Council of Churches, who wrote the pamphlet.

Now, I do not blame Reverent Cavert for vehemently denying that it is a Federal Council publication, but when the executive secretary and two other secretaries, who are the editor and two other associate editors of the official Federal Council bulletin are on that committee, and one of the committee wrote it, well, somebody wrote a book called "Tainted Contacts," and if the Federal Council is not tainted with this pamphlet, I do not know what the word is.

I think I have covered the case, as far as I want to go into it. I have a lot more data here, but I think I have given you sufficient data to show that back of all these movements lies the communism that is described by William Foster in his testimony before the Fish committee, and by Roger N. Baldwin, who asserted their right to advocate assassination and murder. All this is to show you that this whole effort to destroy the right, the willingness, the power of the American Government to defend itself in a brutal civil war (all these people) are working to the end that communism hopes for, willy or nilly. I do not say that the honest ones are doing it consciously, but conscience or no conscience, that is where they are heading.

Mr. JENKINS. Your study would lead you to believe that some of these associations are being bored from within?

General FRIES. Yes; and furthermore that certain of these leaders in the Federal Council of Churches know what is going on and can not help knowing it. Bishop McConnell is too brainy a man not to know that. Harry F. Ward was on there for years with William Foster, the head of communism in this country, and must have known it.

Mr. JENKINS. You notice that when anything happens that scratches or offends one it brings them all up with a protest.

General FRIES. They are all against giving any little military training in colleges to boys that may help defend us against a communistic uprising. They are all for this alien slacker bill. I find them all for social equality, more or less complete, of the negro. You will find all that in here, and so on down the line, and you can take them parallel, group by group.

Mr. CABLE. You have made an intensive study of communism? General FRIES. I do not know what you mean by that.

Mr. CABLE. You spend a good deal of your time on that subject. General FRIES. I do give practically all of my time to a study of communism and the little friends of communism.

Mr. CABLE. Would you say that these two bills under consideration are a part or plan or program of the communists?

General FRIES. Surely. Anything that will weaken the power of the United States to defend itself in civil war is backed by the communists, of course.

Mr. DIES. But you do not indict such as the Society of Friends or these people who are conscientious and not in any way connected with the communists.

General FRIES. No.

You have this American Civil Liberties Union, and you have such little organizations as the Methodist Federation for Social Service, kept small so that they can control it and put out the stuff they want. Mr. DIES. That Social Service is not recognized by the Methodist Church. It has no authority from the official heads of the Methodist Church, has it?

General FRIES. Well, if it has not, then if I were a Methodist, I would raise a roar.

Mr. FREE. McConnell is a bishop of the Methodist Church.
Mr. DIES. He does not speak for me.

General FRIES. I think you have said just what I believe (and that is why I am putting some of this in this record), that 95 per cent of the church people can not know what the leaders are backing in subjects like this alien bill.

Mr. CABLE. You think it is not the people in the church, but the leaders?

General FRIES. Surely it is.

Mr. FREE. You have neglected Sydney L. Gulick, whose aim in life is to get the Orientals into this country.

General FRIES. Well, when Sydney L. Gulick spent all his days from 1887 to 1914, 27 years continuously in Japan, when he wrote 15 or 20 books and articles on Japan, and a half-dozen of them in the Japanese language, what do you expect of him?

Mr. FREE. And in the pay of the Imperialistic University of Japan.

General FRIES. As you brought out in the meeting_yourself, Mr. Free, in the pay of the Imperialistic University of Japan. Years after he became executive secretary of the Federal Council of Churches. I might add this, he did not come to the Federal Council of Churches until Andrew Carnegie, in February of 1913, had formed the Church Peace Union, and very prudently incorporated it so it would be a self-perpetuating body, giving it $2,000,000 of 5 per cent bonds, and almost immediately, in 1914, Gulick came back from Japan and went in as executive secretary of the Federal Council of Churches and is still a secretary.

Mr. FREE. Is this not the way they work it? They have the general church organization throughout the country and elect delegates to a conference that meets once in four years, that is composed of 400 people. That 400 in turn select a smaller group, I think, composed of 100, and that 100 then selects a group of 25 or 28, and that is where these fellows get in who have their hoops to roll on all these things against the Government, and it is so far removed from the church organizations themselves that they get into this little group and then put over this stuff, and claim, like this man Davis did yesterday, that he is representing 49,000,000 church people, and that sort of thing, when, as a matter of fact, they do not represent

really anyone but themselves, but use the names of the great organizations.

General FRIES. They get out certain books, such as this Young People's Relationships that I have referred to, with the statement as it is there, that it is "Instituted by the Federal Council of Churches."

Mr. DIES. What does that book advocate? You can so frame your language as not to offend.

General FRIES. I would be very brief, because I would blush with shame to read much of it. It provides for discussions of all the intimate aspects of sexual intercourse by groups of girls or groups of boys, or if the leaders please, by mixed groups of boys and girls, and they give as a preferred pamphlet, to be gotten by the leaders, and if he chooses to give it out, to the boys and girls-Mary Ware Dennett's Sex Side of Life, and if anyone gets that and reads pages 10 and 11 he will believe anything else I say about the pamphlet.

Mr. JOHNSON. I am sorry we have not time to interrogate you on the interlocking groups.

General FRIES. Gentlemen, I have it all written up with about 20,000 words and a chart which I will print some day.

Mr. JOHNSON. I hope it will be made a part of this record.
Mr. RUTHERFORD (presiding). Thank you, General.

Mr. LLOYD. May I call just one more before we adjourn.
Mr. RUTHERFORD. Yes.

Mr. LLOYD. I will call Mrs. M. H. Worrell.

STATEMENT OF MRS. M. H. WORRELL, WASHINGTON, D. C.

Mr. JOHNSON. Where do you live, Mrs. Worrell?
Mrs. WORRELL. I live here in Washington.

Mr. JOHNSON. And your address?

Mrs. WORRELL. 515 East Clifton Terrace.

Mr. JOHNSON. And whom do you represent.

Mrs. WORRELL. I am the delegate and personal representative of Mrs. Helen Lehman, national president of the Ladies of the Grand Army of the Republic, an organization of some 60,000 members, all near relatives of those noble men who fought the battles of our Civil War.

We oppose these bills H. R. 297 and 298, because we feel that no alien should be admitted to citizenship, who, in time of stress and peril would not willingly take up arms against an enemy of our Government; we feel that it is the patriotic duty of all citizens to defend their country and that no matter what the purported conscientious scruples of some of our religious denominations may be that such scruples would be cast aside if necessity for so doing arose. This was demonstrated during the World War in more than one instance and we must remember that the war was not in our country but on foreign soil.

It has been contended here that those who refuse to bear arms can and will defend our country in other ways-it is our belief that in whatever work a citizen may be engaged during a war if he is not willing to fight, if need be, to defend his country he is likely to prove traitor to his trust.

There have been wars from time immemorial and will be wars until the coming of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ; therefore, it

behooves each and every citizen to protect his country and oppose the entry of aliens who refuse to take up arms in its defense.

Mr. Chairman and members, before taking my seat, I desire to state that it is the wish of the members of The Wheel of Progress, of which I am president, to go on record as opposed to this legislation which would override the decision of the Supreme Court and admit aliens who refuse to take up arms in defense of this country. The Wheel of Progress is a patriotic educational organization nonpartisan and nonsectarian in its nature, dedicated to the progress of mankind and to insure the stability of our governmental institutions through an enlightened citizenship which will protect the rights, advance the interests and promote the welfare of the citizens of this Republic.

The proponent of this legislation stated yesterday that he was absolutely against war, but that he would fight for peace. Methinks that when all is said and done, Mr. Griffin is not such a pacifist as he would lead us to believe. In fact we believe he has gone far afield to defend those who would enter our country willy-nilly.

Mr. RUTHERFORD (presiding). Thank you. We will adjourn until 2 o'clock, at which time we will meet in the judiciary room.

(Whereupon at 12.30 o'clock p. m., the hearing recessed to 2 o'clock p. m., to-day, January 27, 1932.)

AFTER RECESS

(The committee convened at 3 o'clock at the expiration of the noon recess.)

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in order. Who is the first speaker?

Mr. LLOYD. I will call on Col. Robert Longstreet, a Spanish War military veteran.

STATEMENT OF COL. ROBERT LONGSTREET, REPRESENTING THE MILITARY AND NAVAL ORDER OF SPANISH WAR VETERANS

Colonel LONGSTREET. I have just been down to the national encampment of our organization at New Orleans. At the encampment we had numerous resolutions that were passed both by the veterans' body and the officers' body. I happen to represent the officers' body, but I was on the platform at the introduction of the resolutions by the veterans and their passage, condemning the methods of admitting foreigners or aliens into this country without a full requirement as to military service and conscientious convictions as to the constitutional provisions of this Nation.

The matter, of course, was all very thoroughly discussed by those organizations; and, like all other soldier organizations, we want to line up with the previous record that they have made on this line.

We have had a voice from each one of our wars, I believe, except our Spanish War; and I am very glad to be present as a free and complete component as opposed to this conscientious conviction requirement exception that is to be allowed in this bill. That will make the veterans' organizations all harmonious, I believe.

George L. Long is our present commander in chief of the veterans. I happen to be commander in chief of the naval and military party.

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He is, of course, not here at present; but I am representing that organization to that extent, knowing what their official action was at the New Orleans encampment.

I would like to call attention to one particular feature in this bill which has not been, I think, elaborated on; and that is that it actually gives an alien a superior advantage and position over the native-born citizen. The native-born citizen by constitutional provision must serve his country in time of war. Under this bill a foreigner who is just arriving can choose whether he will serve his country or not. Such privilege is an invidious reflection upon the American boy, the future American citizen. And it is against that that all soldiers who have served in the various wars of this country wish to offer a protest against an idea of this kind.

This bill casts a reflection upon the soldier who has rendered service to his country; and for that reason, if for no other, every soldier who knows the service requirements and knows the sacrifice to be made, is opposed to it.

One other tendency of this bill is that although this bill may apply only to a very small minority at the present time, minorities through organization pretty often creep into positions of power and occupy a strategic advantage in the legislative world and in the administrative world, by which they knock down first one obstacle and then another. By piecemeal they destroy that opposition which, if originally recognized, would combine against these various elements. Creeping into these places of power, wherever they may be, as I say, being always prepared to go forward in advance of their purposes, financed by propaganda and by foreign governments such as probably are back of this bill, with the Russian propaganda, financed in this country, where organized efforts of our patriotic societies are not financed, their spontaneous outpourings not being financed, these people have a good chance of occupying positions of power.

This bill knocks down one of the citadels in our republic, and destroys our chance to defend ourselves.

Mr. LLOYD. Before calling on the next speaker, I want to mention in the record some three or four ladies who wanted to be heard. Miss Helen Cummins, Cameron Club.

Mrs. J. L. Buel, Daughters of American Colonists.

Mrs. Clay Keene Miller, Ladies Auxiliary, Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Mrs. Edwin Bettelheim, president of the American Women's Legion.

Now I will call on Mr. Ray, vice chairman of the National Legislative Committee of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

STATEMENT OF L. S. RAY, VICE CHAIRMAN NATIONAL LEGISTIVE COMMITTEE, VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS

Mr. RAY. Mr. Chairman and gentlemen of the committee, the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States is an organization of 200,000 men, all of whom served their country on foreign soil in time of war.

We have always condemned any movement to eliminate that clause in the oath of allegiance requiring naturalized citizens to bear arms in the defense of our Nation.