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Subscriptions, which are a Reproach to Gentlemen of « Fortune, and a great Discouragement to Learning and

Ingenuity : So far are we, I say, from following this “ fcandalous Practice, that our Members have all obliged " themselves not to lend a Book, that may be easily

purchased, to any Person whatever, under the Penalty « of double the Price of the Book for every Person he 166 lends it to ; which Penalties are laid out in purchasing “ so many Copies of the Book, and those Copies are burnt

at our next Club, as an Atonement to the Author.

“ Among others, we never fail to have your MAGAZINE “ examined at the next Club after it comes down to this

City, and as feldom fail to order every Member' to “ furnish himself with a Copy. But upon reading the “ DEBATES of the POLITICAL Club, a Dispute often " arises amongst us, what Party their Secretary is of? " Whether he be Whig or Tory, Patriot or Courtier ? Nay, ut we can but seldom find out, whether he be, in his own

Way of thinking, upon the Affirmative or Negative Side " of the Question; for the Arguments on both sides are

generally so fully stated, and so clearly put; that one is

always apt to be of the same Opinion with the last “ Speaker." This has raised the Curiosity of our Club to · fuch a Degree, that they have desired me to write you “ this Letter, and to ack, if you can satisfy our Curiosity in " this Respect; which, arnong the rest, will much oblige, York, Nov. 14,

SIR, 1745

Your humble Servant,

C. D.

In Answer to this Letter, the SecretARY to the Political Club has desired us to declare, in his Name; That he neither is, nor ever was of any Party; and that whatever may be his private Opinion, be thinks himself, in Honour, obliged to give the fullest and best Account be can, of every Debate be comnunicates, by our Means, to the Publick.

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JOURNAL of the PROCEEDINGS and Debates in the POLITICAL CLUB, continued from the Appendix, 1744.

Conclufion of the SPEECH of L. Ser with us; and I mut here observe,

gius Fidenas, in the Character of that by employing our Troops in Sir John St. Aubin, fince deceased, this Manner, we should have done kegun in our Appendix to last year, much more Service both to the p. 657, in a Debate about the Ha- Queen of Hungary and ourselves, nover Troops.

than by sending them to Flanders ;

A but then our Ministers could have UT thank God, had no Pretence for taking Hano

Sir, we have verian Troops into British Pay, several other which was what they regarded more

Ways. I all than the Service either of the Queen B

not say that we of Hungary or their native Country. ought to think

The Hon. Gentleman says, we DOITE of making any B know by Experience how difficult 10 Conquests in

and dangerous it is, to make any AtOld Spain; but tempt against the Spanish Settlements we might make such frequent, and in America. Sir, are we to form fuch formidable Incurfions, and so any judgment from our late ridicu-; Larraís both ice People and Armies lous and ill-concerted Expedition ? of Spnin, that that Court would soon An Expedition, which was provided finiu bernielves obliged, by the Cla- C neither with Troops, Provisions, Armous of their own People, to sub- tillery, nor Officers that were proper mit to readonable Terms of Peace for the Purposc: An Expedition, that 1745

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was sent to a Place, where, of all fore the keeping them in our Pay
others, our Men where in the great- can have no such Effeet upon the
eit Danger from the Climate: In Court of France, as to induce them to
fhort, an Expedition that, I believe, offer better Terms, or sooner, than
was designed by those that sent it out, they would otherwise do. On the
to miscarry. Sir, instead of forming contrary, I believe, our dismilling
a Judgment from that Expedition, I A them, and calling home our own
am convinced, that by an Expedition Troops, would have a very great Ef-
witely concerted, properly provided, fect for both these Purposes; because
and directed to proper Places in the the Court of France would from
* Spaniji) W'ef- Indies, we may at any thence suppose, that we had resolved
Time force the Court of Spain to for the future to take the beit and
fubmit to reasonable Terms of Peace. moit effectual Way for supporting the
And as to the future Prosecution of B Queen of Hungary, which is, by our
the War at Sea, we are not to judge Money and our Navy.
of it from our late Conduct ; for I was really surprised, Sir, how
when, our Ministers say, it is the the Hon. Gentleman could be so
Merchants War, and therefore they weak as to make use of any Memo-
ought to suffer by it, we

rial drawn up and published by the wonder at the great Success the Spa- Court of France, for proving, that nish Privateers have met with ; nor C our Land Army was of Service to can we wonder at the Spaniards ha- the Common Cause, by disabling ving got so many Rrgijlır Ships France from sending proper Reinhome, when it has from many In- forcements to their Army in Germany, Itances appeared, that our Ministers or to the Spaniards in Italy. If they had no Intelligence as to their Squa- had sincerely thought so, they would drorin, and much less as to their Re not have said ro, at least they would gull Ships

D have guarded against its being pab. Ihore, Sir, I have now fully lished; but as they knew the conheun, that we can have no Englijh trary, they said so, and publithed Relion for continuing the War, or what they said, in order to encoufor ad_iling the Queen of Hungary to rage us to spend our Money in mainenguinue the War; and if we have taining an useless Army upon their o Englija Reason for continuing the Frontier, instead of sending that MoWar, surely we can have no Reason E ney to the Queen of Hungary and for continuing to give English Mo- King of Sardinia, for enabling them ney for Hanover Troops. But it to increase their Armies, which, the may be taid, that those Troops must French knew, might be of great lie, be continued in our Pay till Peace be and would be made the belt Ole of actuaily concluded. Sir, I have two for preventing the Execution of their Realons, which I think pretty sub- Designs. ftantial, even againit this. The one F *This, Sir, our Ministers could not is, that our Ministers will never, I but fee as well as the Freab; for believe, consent to the Queen of from the Estimates it apro.rs, that Hungary's accepting of any Terms our Land Army has, and will cost us of Peace, as long as they are allowed above a Million Steriing yearly. If to keep Hanover Troops in British this Money had been lent in the Pay; and the other is, that I am Queen of Hungary and King of Sor. fully convinced, that our Land Army, G dinia, it would have enabled them to more especially these Troops, have add

59 or 60,000 Men to their As. never been, nor can be, of any Ser- mies, and this would have been more vice to the Queen of Hungary ; there- than a Counter-Balance for all the

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Reinforcements the French could to our Generosity, they have, I have sent either to Girmany or Sa- hope, the Common Cause and the day; for tho' they might, and did Interest of the Queen of Hungary fa easily assemble a Body of 40 or much at Heart, that they would 50,000 Men to face our Army upon keep their Troops in the Army at their own Frontier, they could not their own Expence; consequently, if have sent near that Number into A the Court of Hanover be fuch Friends Germany or Savoy, because they to the Queen of Hungary as they precould not leave their Country quite tend, the Allied Army can be no destitute of Troops. Common Sense Way leffened by our dismiting their muft therefore instruct us in what was Troops out of our Pay; and if their the Design of the Court of France, Friendlip for the Queen of Hungary when they drew up and published be pretended only in order to intitie that Memorial ; and besides, it con- B them to have their Troops maintradicts itself; for it says, the Troops toined by us, I am afraid, we have designed for the Ardistance of the laid out, and shall lay out our MoSpaniards were actually quartered in ney in that Way to very little PurDauphiny and Provence, which bor- pose ; for if the Elector of Hanover der upon Savoy, from whence they be indifferent about the Support of might have marched to oppose any the Queen of Hungary, I much fear, Atizek in Flonders, with as much C that the King of England will not be File, and in as short a Time, as they very fanguine; in which Case it is could have marched from the Pro- not to be expected, that our Land vinces in which they were quartered. Army will do much Service either to But that Memorial hints at the true

that Princess or the Common Cause; Reason why no French Troops mar- therefore, I should be for dismilling ched to the Assistance of the Spani- thele Hanover Troops, if it were for ards : It says, the Alliance between D no other Reason but to try the Sin. Hungary and Sardinia was then so cerity of the Court of Hanover, and fightly cemented,

that it might be consequently I must be against the easily diTolved. This, Sir, was the

Motion. true Reason, I really believe; for the French had no inclination to The next Speech I shall give, l?s break with the King of Sardinia, as

that made by T. Pedanius, in the long as they had any Hopes of gain. E Charakter of Vere Powlett, Elq; ing him by fair Means ; but as those the Purport of which was as fobHopes seem now to be cut off by the lows. famous Treaty of Worms, we shall next Year fee, whether our Army in

Mr. Prefident, Flanders will prevent the French from

Sir, joining with the Spaniards in an At- AVING voted last year for tack upon his Sardinian Majesty's F taking. 16,000

Hanoverians Territories.

into British Pay, I beg Leave to But now suppose, Sir, that our offer my Reasons why I cannot Land Army could be of some Ser- agree

with the Hon. Gentleman, vice, yet in order to keep up that who has made the like Motion this Army, I do not think it necessary Year; tho' the Case of Hanoverian for us to keep the Hanoverians in Troops, this Year, is so widely difPay. The Court of Hanover are G ferent from what it was the last, certainly in the Right to take our that the Diftinction cannot fail ocMoney as long as we are willing to curring to every Gentleman in this give it; but if we should put a Stop House. In the last year, there were

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no such Instances of Hanoverian tho' llow in its Execution, is always Pufillanimity, Infolence, and Disobe- more certain in its Effects. A dirdience, which are now so glaring solute, hasty Conduct on our Part, in the Eyes of the whole World: is what the Foe must wish to see. We have now, in an Affair of the Good God! What Joy will it give last Importance to this Country, the Euemy, when that important greater, perhaps, than ever came A Piece of News is carried to them before this House, Experience for abroad, that it is the Resolution of a our Guide, and shall we go con- British House of Commons, to take trary to Experience itself, to Ex

Confusion into their Army! perience, which teaches even Fools? Sir, we have invited here the Shall we take Troops into our Pay, Electors of Hanovur, with great Rewho want personal Courage ; who wards, we have given them Kingare sure to be wanting to their Duty B doms to rule over ; but, I hope, in the Day of Battle; and who, in- sensible as I am of the great Benefits stead of being an Assistance, will be- which have arisen from their good tray us into Misfortunes, by disap- Government; I hope, I say, we hall pointing us of that Strength, which never be so passionately fond of we vainly rely on, by disordering Hanoverians, as never to reft fatisour Army, instead of supporting it? fied, never contented, till we have But, Sir, should this Motion pass C hired their whole People to be Lords in the Affirmative, what a Damp, what Dejection of Spirit, must it calt on our Men, when they find them- In this Debate likewise, Pomponius selves forced by their own Country- Atticus flood up, and in the Chamen, by this House of Commons, to raiter of Horatio Walpole, Elgi þow their Neck to the Hanoverian Spoke to this Efred: Yoke, and to submit to those Grie. D vances, which they have so loudly

Mr. President, complained of? The only Colour

SIR, of Pretence, which I have heard

HE Question is, Whether the alledged, is this, that it is now too late to hire other Troops; but will be employed in our Serviçe abroad the Ministry, who pretend it is too the next Campaign; or, in other late to hire other Troops, pretend E Words, Whether we hould furnish too, that they were the only Persons 16,000 Men less; and, in Consein the World, unacquainted with quence of that, have 22,000 Men the Behaviour of the Hanoverians, less for the Support of the Common during the last Campaign? If they Cause, than we had lait Year? can't pretend this too, as well as If we consider the Situation of that it is too late, what do they Affairs with respect to the Motives other than acknowledge, that they F of the War, and the Success of it, impose a Neceffity, which they might it must be owned, without canvassing have prevented, and premeditately whether more might not have been force a wrong Measure on the Na. done, than was done last year, that tion? But this supposed Necessity, the Affairs of the Queen of Hungary, from the Lateness of the Time, is by the Operations of the Campaign, absolutely false, is a fundamental are in a better, and a more liopeful Mistake; for it is always too early G State, than the most fanguine Deto engage in a wrong Meafare: Nor, fires or Expectations could have procan any Thing be Ta terrible to an mised at the Opening of it. Prague, Enemy as good Management, which, Egra, and all her Dominions have

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