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COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE

HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia, Chairman JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan

JAMES T. BROYHILL, North Carolina LIONEL VAN DEERLIN, California

SAMUEL L. DEVINE, Ohio JOHN M. MURPHY, New York

TIM LEE CARTER, Kentucky DAVID E. SATTERFIELD III, Virginia CLARENCE J. BROWN, Ohio BOB ECKHARDT, Texas

JAMES M. COLLINS, Texas RICHARDSON PREYER, North Carolina NORMAN F. LENT, New York JAMES H. SCHEUER, New York

EDWARD R. MADIGAN, Illinois RICHARD L. OTTINGER, New York

CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, California HENRY A. WAXMAN, California

MATTHEW J. RINALDO, New Jersey TIMOTHY E. WIRTH, Colorado

DAVE STOCKMAN, Michigan PHILIP R. SHARP, Indiana

MARC L. MARKS, Pennsylvania JAMES J. FLORIO, New Jersey

TOM CORCORAN, Illinois ANTHONY TOBY MOFFETT, Connecticut GARY A. LEE, New York JIM SANTINI, Nevada

TOM LOEFFLER, Texas ANDREW MAGUIRE, New Jersey

WILLIAM E. DANNEMEYER, California EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts THOMAS A. LUKEN, Ohio DOUG WALGREN, Pennsylvania ALBERT GORE, JR., Tennessee BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland RONALD M. MOTTL, Ohio PHIL GRAMM, Texas AL SWIFT, Washington MICKEY LELAND, Texas RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama ROBERT T. MATSUI, California

KENNETH J. PAINTER, Chief Clerk and Staff Director

ELEANOR A. DINKINS, First Assistant Clerk
William B. NEWMAN, Jr., Professional Staff
J. Paul Molloy, Minority Professional Staff

SUBCOMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND COMMERCE

JAMES J. FLORIO, New Jersey, Chairman JIM SANTINI, Nevada

EDWARD R. MADIGAN, Illinois BARBARA A. MIKULSKI, Maryland

GARY A. LEE, New York JOHN M. MURPHY, New York

JAMES T. BROYHILL, North Carolina ROBERT T. MATSUI, California

(Ex Officio)
HARLEY O. STAGGERS, West Virginia
(Ex Officio)

GREGORY E. LAWLER, Staff Director
M. B. OGLESBY, Jr., Minority Staff Associate

CONTENTS

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Statement of:

Dempsey, William H., president, Association of American Railroads ....

Garner, Elmer, Chief, Railroad Accident Division, Bureau of Accident

Investigation, National Transportation Safety Board..

Gossard, William H., transportation safety specialist, Office of Evalua-

tions and Safety Objectives, National Transportation Safety Board..........

Harris, William J., Sc. D., vice president of research and test, Association

of American Railroads..

James, Raymond K., Chief Counsel, Federal Railroad Administration,

Department of Transportation.

Johnston, A. William, vice president of operations and maintenance,

Association of American Railroads.

King, James B., Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board..........

Mann, Lawrence M., counsel, Railway Labor Executives Association

Rodgers, Paul, administrative director and general counsel, National As-

sociation of Regulatory Utility Commissioners.

Santman, Leon D., Director, Materials Transportation Bureau, Federal

Railroad Administration, Department of Transportation

Snyder, J. R., chairman, Safety Committee, Railway Labor Executives

Association .....

Somers, Pamela E., director of congressional relations, National Associ-

ation of Regulatory Utility Commissioners...

Sullivan, John M., Administrator, Federal Railroad Administration, De-

partment of Transportation......

Walsh, Joseph W., Associate Administrator for Safety, Federal Railroad

Administration, Department of Transportation.

Parsons, Robert E., Associate Administrator for Research and Develop-

ment, Federal Railroad Administration, Department of Transportation..

Additional material submitted for the record by:

Association of American Railroads, attachments to Mr. Dempsey's pre-

pared statement:

Appendix A-Safety statistics......

Appendix B-Statistics re highway-railroad motor vehicle crossing

fatalities...

National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners, attachments

to Mr. Rodgers prepared statement:

Appendix A-State participation status summary

Appendix B-Casualties by accident/incident, 1976–78..

Appendix C-Resolution supporting S. 934 to amend the Railroad

Safety Act of 1970, adopted December 5, 1979..

National Transportation Safety Board:

Letter dated January 15, 1979, from FRA Administrator Sullivan to

Chairman King re DOT specification 105 tank cars..

Letter dated May 18, 1979, from DOT Secretary Adams to Chairman

King re comments to NTSB's safety recommendation R-78-58 and

R-78-59..

Letter dated February 21, 1980, from FRA Administrator Sullivan to

Chairman King re comments to NTSB's safety recommendations

R-79-65 through 67

Transportation Department, attachments to Mr. Sullivan's prepared

statement:

State participation-A grant-in-aid program involving States in rail

safety inspection

Appendix I-Duties of railroad safety inspector.

Appendix II—State participation......

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RAILROAD SAFETY

TUESDAY, MARCH 25, 1980

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND COMMERCE,
COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 9:35 a.m., pursuant to notice, in room 2322, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. James J. Florio, chairman, presiding.

Mr. FLORIO. The subcommittee will come to order.

I would like to welcome our witnesses here today to discuss a matter of major interest to us all—the safety of our railroad system. A number of tragic accidents in the past few years has made this a matter of great public concern.

Fortunately, some progress is being made that should prevent the recurrence of the tragic results of some of the past accidentsparticularly through the tank car retrofit program. However, there are other types of tank cars not covered by the program

that

may present equivalent dangers.

It has been suggested that a number of serious accidents are caused by human factors, including alcohol abuse. We hope to focus on ways, preferably voluntary, that can cut down the number of these tragedies.

Other factors can also contribute to accidents. Bad track condition caused by deferred maintenance-common on marginal railroads—is one example. In fact, there is a positive correlation between a railroad's profitability and its safety record. It may be that one of the best ways to insure safety is to give carriers the tools to better their financial performance-perhaps through elimination of much of the economic regulations that have stifled the industry.

The subcommittee also intends to review the administration's requested authorization for the Federal Railroad Administration's Office of Safety along with some proposed legislative changes; the concerns of labor about the safety of railroad employees and their suggested legislative changes.

would like to welcome our first witness, Mr. John M. Sullivan, Administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration of the Department of Transportation.

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