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Senator GURNEY. Thank you.

Senator METCALF. Thank you very much, Senator. I wonder if any of us have a solution to this problem that was mentioned by the previous witness. What are we going to do about quotas, shutting off the power for certain uses or something? Maybe that is inevitable but it is not possible or feasible at the present time. So as Senator Gurney says, we are more concerned about the siting of plants and more efficient operation of powerplants, and so forth, as well as industrial plants and the other kinds of users of fossil fuels.

Are we using nuclear energy for anything but power development? Mr. ZIMMERMANN. There has been talk of the use of nuclear energy for excavation purposes and for, for example, the freeing of natural gas deposits by underground explosion, but aside from those uses, I think electric power is the dominant one.

Senator METCALF. So, it is largely a matter of power production in which the use of nuclear energy and its impact on the environment are involved.

I was impressed by your analysis of the development of regional power areas and the need for regional, in fact, national planning. Secretary Hickel has set up, I think, some very good ideas on a national grid and I hope we all hope that might be some solution to the power hunger that they have here in the northeast. But that is ahead of us, too.

What are you doing in the State of Minnesota? Is your Minnesota Committee for Environmental Information setting up inventories of powerplants or power sitings so that you will be prepared to have alternatives when they come in with a license or an application?

Mr. ZIMMERMANN. Well, I must say that at the moment MCEI has not made such efforts. The major problem is a shortage of time and people.

Senator METCALF. Well, we all understand how difficult it is but do you not think that the States and the State agencies are subject to the same criticism that you have leveled at the bill, that there has been inadequate and insufficient planning and that there should be that sort of planning on the State level?

Mr. ZIMMERMANN. I certainly do. I think that in the absence of regional or national planning, the State should take upon itself the responsibility of planning and of reviewing electric powerplants from a broad point of view.

Senator METCALF. And it might be well to have State planning as well as regional and national planning. They go along together, because there are some locations that would be solely within the control of the State.

Do you have anything more, Senator Gurney?
Senator GURNEY. No.

Senator METCALF. Thank you very much for a most helpful statement. We welcome criticisms of legislation. That is the way that legislation is evolved, by other people coming in and making their criticisms known. Largely these bills are in the nature of pleading to get the issue before a hearing and sometimes they come out a great deal different than the original introduction. It is because of thoughtful presentations such as you and the other witnesses have made that this legislation finally reaches its ultimate form.

So, thank you very much for a most helpful and productive

statement.

Mr. ZIMMERMANN. Thank you, Senator Metcalf. I appreciate the opportunity to be here.

Senator METCALF. Now, this completes the hearing on S. 2752. The previous witness, Reverend Engstrom, is going to submit some additional material and if there is any other material by other witnesses, it should be submitted by September 20. The record will be kept open until September 20 for the submission of such material as the staff feels necessary to incorporate.

Unless there is something else, the committee will be in recess, subject to the call of the Chair.

(Whereupon, at 11:50 a.m., the hearing was adjourned, subject to the call of the Chair.)

APPENDIXES

APPENDIX 1

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUPPLIED BY WITNESSES

HON. JAMES T. RAMEY, COMMISSIONER, ATOMIC ENERGY

COMMISSION*

U.S. ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION,

Washington, D.C., April 17, 1970.

Mr. E. WINSLOW TURNER,
General Counsel,

Subcommittee on Intergovernmental Relations,
Government Operations Committee,

Old Senate Office Building,

DEAR MR. TURNER: In our telephone conversation on April 14, 1970, and during my testimony on S. 2752 Wednesday, April 15, I stated that I would provide additional information for the record. Three of the promised items are enclosed:

a. AEC Policy Statement on Implementation of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.1

b. A copy of our chart "Radiation Exposures (Comparative Information)" requested by Senator Muskie.2

c. Data on U.S. Central Station Nuclear Power Plants, including (among other things) numbers of plants, status of licensing, reactor type, waterways on which located and method of cooling.

Within the next few days I will forward to you the one remaining item, data regarding the Commission's research and development effort involving Chesapeake Bay.3

If you have any additional questions or require further information, please call me.

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ACHIEVEMENT OF INITIAL DESIGN POWER'

HUCLEAR POWER PLANTS CONTRACTED FOR AS OF 3/1/70

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1 Based on 12/31/69 schedule information reported by utility.

2 Includes 5 plants which achieved design power in prior years but have since been permanenty shutdown:
Hallam (75MWE); Piqua (11.4 MWE), CVTR (17 MWE); BONUS (16.5 MWE); and Pathfinder (58.5 MWE).

STATUS OF CENTRAL STATION NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS - SIGNIFICANT MILESTONES

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Initial or current capacity; may be lower than that authorized by license Information on achievement of future milestones based on data furnished by utility.
Construction Permit

POL Provision! Operating License

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Plant was shut down October 1567; on 9/6/C NCP unnodd plans to install gas fired boils for operation summer 1939, license to possess but not operate issued May 14, 1969. Slut down January 1007

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