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est foe that England ever knew. Sooner | disaffected in England; and that this than support such objects, or such a pro- peaceful and prosperous country might ject, he would rather violate the proud return to that state of applauded neufeelings which he shared in common with trality which we have just thanked his the House, and petition for peace, with any majesty for adhering to, this we must anconcession, and almost by any sacrifice. swer, "Go, thou mean wretch, thou beBut he trusted no such dilemma impend- trayer of the pride and dignity of the ed. The real object of the war was one crown and of the nation, thou contamithing; the fiery declaration which was to nated man, debased by intercourse with whet our valour was another.-Mr. She- the agents of robbers, ruffians, murderers, ridan now adverted to the strange situa- and atheists-we only dissembled when tion in which the House might bring it- we applauded your neutrality; we detest self, by indulging this furious spirit of de- your peace, and we meant to dupe our clamation, against the meanness and in- sovereign when we called on him to prefamy of holding any sort of treaty and serve it." Would the House make this intercourse with France. It was in the answer, should such happy intelligence first place a libel on his majesty's speech, be brought them, and will they own that and upon our own address. His majesty they played the hypocrite in their address had encouraged us to hope, that notwith- to their king?-Mr. Sheridan then declastanding his armament, he might yet pro- red, that from the commencement of the cure to us the blessing of peace; and we revolution, he had been of opinion, that had thanked and encouraged him in his if there had been a statesman-like admigracious intention. How was this to be nistration, they would have considered achieved? Disputes and cause of com- the post of minister at Paris, as the situaplaint existing without some sort of tion which demanded the first and ablest communication, it was impossible. How talents of the country. Happy, he bewas this to be carried on? Was there lieved, it would have been for both counany sort of dumb crambo, by which the tries, and for human nature itself, if such parties might come to understand each had been the opinion of government in other; and yet the form of negociation be this country; and highly as he valued his slipt from, and the moral dignity of Great right hon. friend, unparalleled as he Britain be preserved? A right hon. thought his talents were, he should not gentleman, indeed, had warned the House hesitate to declare, that, as minister in to be tender of advising his majesty in Paris, there was scope and interest for the exercise of his prerogative; yet he the greatest mind that ever warmed a huhimself had actually usurped the first pre- man bosom. The French had been unirogative of the crown; and in contradic- formly partial, and even prejudiced, in tion to the king's express declaration, de- favour of the English. What manly clared the nation to be actually at war. sense, what generous feeling, communiBut what was to be said, if, after all this, cating with them, might have done, and the minister, when he returned to his above all, what fair truth and plain dealseat in that House, should bring us the ing might have effected, he believed it happy intelligence, that, in consequence was not easy to calculate; but the withof explanation and treaty, the calamities holding all these from that nation in our of war were actually averted? Mr. She- hollow neutrality, he was sure, was an erridan asserted peremptorily, that, at the ror which would be for ever to be lavery moment in which the House was mented. urged to a flame at the idea of our stooping to the contamination of treating with France, the minister was actually negociating, not only through Holland, but directly with agents from the French executive council. Should his efforts be successful, observe how you must treat him on his return: if he should tell you that a temperate explanation has taken place; that the French had abandoned all idea of attacking our ally; that they had rescinded the incendiary decrees and declarations which had countenanced the

Mr. Dundas said, that when the hon. gentleman who spoke last rose, he thought all the arguments that were used had been fully answered on the former night, all the facts in the proclamation, and the speech from the throne, the House had already decided on. One assertion, that of a negociation now depending, was of a nature which a minister could not safely answer; because, whether he admitted or denied it, he disclosed what might be unfit to be disclosed. All, therefore, that he could say on the subject was, that the

hon. gentleman's assertion was not compatible with his belief. Mr. Dundas repeated this in more guarded terms: "that, in his opinion, he believed that it was not compatible with his belief." With regard to the ambassadors of other courts remaining at Paris after the king was dethroned, he knew nothing of it; but he believed that the Dutch had observed the same conduct that the English court had done. To sum up the whole, he would put it on this issue: if, under the former government of France, while we had an ambassador in France, and France an ambassador here, the French government had received persons from this country, complaining of the constitution, and proposing an alliance to subvert it, and given a favourable answer to such persons, what would have been the duty of his majesty's ministers? Would it not have been to recall our ambassador, and order the French ambassador to quit this country? How, then, could we now send an ambassador to France, when the present French government had notoriously done the very same thing?

Mr. Fox, with a hoarseness so severe as to make it very difficult for him to speak at all, said it was physically impossible for him to say much, nor did he intend it. If I had thought, continued he, the circumstances such as the case stated by the right hon. secretary, I would not have made my motion; but from his majesty's speech and the address of the House in answer to it, I was authorized to think otherwise. Would the right hon. secretary in any case recall our ambassador, and order the French ambassador to leave this country before he had actually deter mined on war? I think he would not and that war is not yet determined on appears from this, that his majesty has assured us from the throne, that nothing will be neglected by him that can contribute to the important object of preserving the blessings of peace; and for this assurance we have returned thanks in our address. If I sent an ambassador to France I would not instruct him to petition, as some gentlemen have been pleased to suppose, but to demand satisfaction; and if that were denied, to return. The chief point maintained by me in making this motion, is, not that the people are always to be consulted on the expediency of going to war, but that on all occasions they ought to be truly informed what the object of the war is. If my motion is not

adopted, and war should ensue, I fear there will be much doubt about what is the true cause, and that some will think we are fighting for one object, and some for another. The right hon. gentleman (Mr. Burke, asserts peremptorily that we are at war: and yet he voted for the address, thanking his majesty for his endeavours to preserve the blessings of peace. He directly contradicts both the ministers and the speech from the throne. They praise his eloquence in their support, but take care not to adopt his opinions. Whenever you do treat, and that you must treat some time or other nobody can deny-you must treat with the existing powers; and if you refuse to do that now, which you know must be done at some time or other, you give away the opportunity of saving Holland from a war, of preserving to her the monopoly of the Scheldt without a war, and of obtaining the revocation of that resolution of the executive council, of which I perhaps think as ill as you do. If the point in dispute be, whether we shall negociate by a minister, or by means of secretaries communicating with ministers, I do not think that a sufficient cause of war. I have done my duty in submitting my ideas to the House, and in doing this, I cannot possibly have had any other motives than those of public duty. What were my motives? Not to court the favour of ministers, or those by whom ministers are supposed to be favoured; not to gratify my friends, as the debates in this House have shown; not to court popularity, for the general conversation, both within and without these walls, has shown that to gain popularity, I must have held the opposite course. The people may treat my house, as they have done that of Dr. Priestley-as it is said, they have more recently done that of Mr. Walker. My motive only was, that they might know what was the real cause of the war into which they are likely to be plunged, and that they might know that it depended on a matter of mere form and ceremony.

Mr. Drake, jun. declared, that at this awful and portentous crisis of affairs he could not give a silent vote, without expressing, before God and his country, the indignation he felt at the introduction of a subject fraught with the most baneful consequences to the liberty, the honour, the tranquillity, and the independence of Britain. Gentlemen on the other side of

the House, in the course of this discussion, had evinced an indecent exultation at the abolition of monarchy in France, and the subsequent calamities which every man of feeling ought to lament and abhor. The only benefit that could accrue to this country from that event, was the dissolution of the family compact. But, alas! that advantage was absorbed in the alarming extension of the territories of the French republic, which, if recognized by us, would excite the resentment of every power in Europe, and pave the way to render Great Britain a province of France. Was not this the time for Englishmen to join heart and hand in maintaining our independence and supporting our importance in the political scale of Europe? They had likewise exulted in another event, which ought rather to be a subject of condolence and regret, namely, the retreat of the combined armies, whose leaders were actuated by the laudable motives of humanity, whose object was, to stop the effusion of blood, and prevent those excesses incident to a fero cious people, who had thrown off all restraint of government, and relinquished every social and moral obligation, and reverted to a state of nature, of anarchy and confusion. He described the men who composed the legislative and executive government of France, and reprobated the idea of sending a minister to negociate with rebels, assassins, and regicides, whose ambition seemed stimulated by rapine, havoc, and devastation. With such a junto, a member of the British House of Commons had the hardihood to propose an embassy, which always implied a parity of manners, and a reciprocity of interest. He would ask the right hon. gentleman, who would go upon this diplomatic expedition? No man that was loyal to his king and faithful to his country, would undertake an embassy to which so much danger and responsibility was at tached; for sure he was, that a disparity of political sentiments would expose any person of that description to the ferocity of a licentious mob, who might perhaps imbrue their hands in his blood before they permitted him to deliver his credentials to those immaculate gentlemen who were placed at the helm of affairs in France. Indeed, the subject in discussion appeard to him.

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he was inclined to believe he was not sincere in his intentions; for the old adage par pari gaudet was not unfrequently applicable to the rational as well as to the brute creation.—Mr. Drake then addressing himself to the opposite side of the House, broke out in a most severe invective against the gentlemen who had supported the motion, and in the most emphatic terms conjured his honourable, ever honourable, and right honourable friends, to unite heart head, and hand, in suppressing and extirpating the very semen of a revolution which was but too manifest in the volcanic, subterranean, infernal, diobolical eloquence of his inimical friends who-[Here a peal of laughter.] The hon. mover insisted that he had been interrupted in one of the most essential privileges of a British senator, viz. the freedom of speech, which he hoped the Speaker had not omitted to demand of his majesty at the opening of the present session: and if it had been obtained, he, in common with other members, had a right to avail himself of it. In order to conciliate the attention of the House, he lamented that it was necessary for members to detail their political creed. Whatever that of others might be, his was, loyalty to his king, fidelity to his country, and love to the constitution. The hon member declared, that if by theatrical gesticulation he had betrayed an excess of animation, it was but the ebullition of his heart, which obliged him to exclaim with Hamlet, that he had -"that within which passeth show; "These but the trappings and the suits of woe,"

The subject matter in debate was of vast importance, and struck to the heart of every patriotic Englishman, whose reason was unruffled by passion, unclouded by prejudice, and unwarped by party. For his part, he was an isolated man, who thought the cause of his country paramount to every other concern; he therefore trusted, that gentlemen would impute his animation to a zeal for the good of his country, which neither hope nor fear could influence him to suppress.

The motion was then put and negatived.

Debate on Mr. Grey's Complaint of a Libel intituled " One Pennyworth of Truth, from Thomas Bull to his Brother John."] Dec. 17. Mr. Grey rose to make his promised motion. He began by saying, that in a former debate Mr. Dundas had

day, which stated, that the populace had risen again, and had destroyed the houses of Messrs. Cooper and Walker. At Birmingham, also, symptoms of riots had been evinced. These effects seemed to him to have proceeded from a publication, issuing from the Association at the Crown and Anchor Tavern: it was called "A Pennyworth of Truth from Thomas Bull to his Brother John." He had sent for it to the Crown and Anchor, and was told that it was delivered to none but subscribers, but was to be had at Stockdale's; a proof that they avowed the publication. It contained the following libellous invectives against the dissenters. "Our national debt, for which we are now paying such heavy taxes, was doubled by the troubles in America, all brought upon us from the beginning by the dissenters there and here. Did not Dr. Price write for them? And did not the Birmingham Doctor (late one of the king's elect of France) encourage them, and write mob-principles of government to justify them?" Paine's Rights of Man had not produced one riot; but this invective against the dissenters seemed calculated to produce effects the most alarming. If government did not put a speedy termination to these proceedings, he was convinced that that great man, Dr. Priestley, and every other dissenter, would not be safe. He read several extracts from the paper, and concluded with moving, "That the said paper be delivered in at the table and read." This he intended as the ground of an address to the king to give directions to the attorney general to prosecute.

taken fire at an insinuation he had made, | diaries were. He had heard that an exthat the protection of the laws was not ex-press had arrived from Manchester that tended equally to all his majesty's subjects. So far, however, from receding from that insinuation, he begged to be understood, that he meant to substitute now assertion for insinuation. He was decidedly of opinion that the protection of the laws was not equally extended to all persons. In support of his opinion he adduced the riots at Birmingham, into the causes of which no inquiry had been suffered to take place. In the present instance, if administration created an alarm; if at the same time that alarm was occasioned by a general description held out, that there were persons disaffected to the constitution; if such a general description, too, were made for the express purpose of subjecting particular persons to the vengeance of the people, he conceived that he was fully justified in the assertion he had made. Several facts had been stated to justify the proclamation. These were all denied. At Dundee the tumults were over ten days before the issuing of the proclamation; besides, it was plain that government did not assemble the militia to suppress them; for if they had, the militia would not have been drawn towards London. Those tumults being suppressed without the interference of the military, he contended, that the minister had abused the term of insurrection, and had been guilty of perverting an act of parliament. If he had conceived that riots would break out he ought to have assembled the parliament, and have called for a bill of indemnity. He had not pursued this mode, because it was his interest to create alarm and excite apprehension. If there really existed disaffected persons, they should be pointed out and punished, Riots, he understood, had taken place at Cambridge. Very serious tumults had occured at Manchester; these seemed to proceed from a meeting held at Manchester on the 11th instant, for the purpose of preserving constitutional order. The same evening a mob had assembled and attacked the house of Mr. Walker. An hon. gentleman whom he saw in his place (Mr. Peel) was present at that meeting. In one of the daily papers it was stated, that he said, in his address to the meeting, that it was time for the people to rouse from their lethargy, for there were incendiaries in the country. If Mr. Peel really did utter these words, he called on him to say who those incen[VOL. XXX.]

Mr. Peel conceived that a newspaper paragraph was no foundation on which to criminate a member of that House. With regard to what was attributed to him in the paper alluded to, he disclaimed it all, except his having said "God save the King." The association he belonged to at Manchester consisted of men of independent principles; every man in it spoke his sentiments, and nothing but sentiments of loyalty were uttered. When he left the town all was quiet; and he regretted that the people afterwards broke into disorder. The hon. gentleman, had insinuated, that the riots were occasioned by the Associa tion. The objects of the Association were, to protect the laws, and to discourage any attempts to break in upon the [K]

peace of society.

There were in Man

chester some few disaffected persons; but in general they were contented, happy, and attached to the government and constitution. As to party among them, there was once a division, one side was called Pittites, and the other Foxites: but that had ceased; they had all coalesced, and called themselves Kingites.

Mr. Adam rejoiced to hear, on such respectable authority, that the lower class of people had too much good sense to suffer their attachment to the constitution to be shaken by any writings. It was a fresh proof that there was no tendency among them to insurrection, for the purpose of overturning the constitution. He enforced the necessity of the motion, and expressed his doubts as to the legality of the associations that had been entered into for the purpose of prosecuting seditious writings. If the law was enforced as it ought to be, such associations would be unnecessary. He was sure this sort of assistance to government was not right, since it tended to establish what we blamed so much in France-a government by clubs.

Mr. Yorke was against admitting the motion, for if it was acceded to, the House would have nothing to attend to but such motions. If it was a libel the regular course of law might be taken.

The Attorney General said, that considering the situation in which he stood, it would not become him to give any opinion on the paper which was the subject of the motion; he was on that head to receive the orders of the House and obey them, but not to attempt to influence their decision either by argument or by vote, and therefore he intended to withdraw, after he should have made one or two observations in general on prosecutions for libels ordered by the House of Commons. It ought first to be well considered, whether the paper which was to be made the groundwork of a criminal proceeding was really libellous or not; and, secondly, whether it was probable that a conviction would be procured; for it would be an awkward circumstance for the House to order a prosecution for a paper which might be pronounced by the judges, not to be a libel, or, which being one, was of such a nature that it could not be proved. In such a case the House, to use a coarse, but an expressive saying, would "show its teeth when it could not bite." It would require much time even for a professional §

man to peruse a long paper, and examine all its parts attentively, before he could tell whether he could make it the ground, of an information or an indictment; how, then, could it be expected, that the House should in a moment be able to form a judgment of such a case? He had more than once prosecuted, in obedience to the commands of the House, when he knew he could not convict the accused; but he was forced by order to prosecute, and could not say beforehand that a conviction was not to be expected. He therefore wished that gentlemen, whenever they wanted to move for a prosecution of any person for a libel, would state the matter to the House, and then allow a sufficient time for consideration, before they made their motion, and called for a final determination.

Mr. Jekyll condemned the conduct of some of the associations in publishing papers, the obvious tendency of which was to bring down upon the dissenters all the rage and fury of a bigotted mob.

Mr. Anstruther replied to what Mr. Adam had said of associations. He denied that those to which his hon. friend alluded, were disposed to establish a government by clubs; on the contrary, they associated solely for the purpose of aiding the civil magistrate in the execution of the law, and not of setting up their own decrees as the law of the land. In establishing a fund for defraying the defence of prosecutions, their conduct was strictly. legal, they meant not to pass by the grand juries, but, on the contrary, to present to them such publications as ought to be made the subjects of prosecution; this every individual was authorized to do by law; and consequently it was not illegal in a body to do it. Very dangerous papers indeed were in circulation. One had been sent to him, in which the writer complained of rents, taxes, and monopoly of lands, as intolerable grievances, which ought immediately to be removed.

Mr. Lambton said, it was necessary that libels, against whole descriptions of men should be prosecuted, as well as libels against the government, that evil disposed persons might not imagine that the reputation of any particular set of men might be attacked with impunity. He complained of calumnies of a dangerous nature, circulated against himself and his friends in the county which he had the honour to represent.

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