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DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND
STATE, THE JUDICIARY, AND RELATED
AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1984

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND

STATE, THE JUDICIARY, AND RELATED AGENCIES

NEAL SMITH, Iowa, Chairman
BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois
JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts

CLARENCE E. MILLER, Ohio
BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York
BOB CARR, Michigan

JOHN G. OSTHAUS and TERRY D. BEVELS, Staff Assistants

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania NEAL SMITH, Iowa

JACK EDWARDS, Alabama JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York

JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois

CLARENCE E. MILLER, Ohio DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin

LAWRENCE COUGHLIN, Pennsylvania EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida LOUIS STOKES, Ohio

JACK F. KEMP, New York TOM BEVILL, Alabama

RALPH REGULA, Ohio BILL CHAPPELL, JR., Florida

GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania

ELDON RUDD, Arizona BOB TRAXLER, Michigan

CARL D. PURSELL, Michigan JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts

MICKEY EDWARDS, Oklahoma CHARLES WILSON, Texas

BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana BILL GREEN, New York NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington

TOM LOEFFLER, Texas MATTHEW F. McHUGH, New York

JERRY LEWIS, California WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois JACK HIGHTOWER, Texas

HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California
VIC FAZIO, California
W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina
LES AUCOIN, Oregon
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii
WES WATKINS, Oklahoma
WILLIAM H. GRAY, III, Pennsylvania
BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey
WILLIAM R. RATCHFORD, Connecticut
BILL BONER, Tennessee
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland
BOB CARR, Michigan
ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York

KEITH F. MAINLAND, Clerk and Staff Director

DEPARTMENTS OF COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND STATE, THE JUDICIARY AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1984

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6, 1983.

ITA TRADE PROMOTION ACTIVITIES

WITNESSES

HANS G. HOLLANDER, PRESIDENT, PHP CORP., HARRISON, N.Y.
STEPHEN J. BARRY, JR., TWI INTERNATIONAL EXHIBITOR SERVICES,
SUNNYVALE, CALIF.

Mr. EARLY. The meeting will come to order. Today we are going to hear from Members of Congress and from outside witnesses. There have been numerous requests of the Committee from outside witnesses and so we have had to restrict testimony times. We are going to ask everyone testifying to stay within their time limit.

The most important thing is that the information gets into the record where every Member can read the testimony, which I assure you they will, prior to the markup of the bills with which they are concerned.

Is Mr. Hans Hollander, President of PHP International, here?

We appreciate your being here. The first two witnesses are Members who are not here.

Mr. HOLLANDER. Mr. Chairman, first of all I appreciate your allowing us to be here to testify. I appreciate that very much. I hope the statements that we have issued in connection with this testimony will be put into the record by you. Mr. EARLY. We assure you they will.

Mr. HOLLANDER. Thank you, sir. Without repeating what you undoubtedly have already read, I just want to elaborate on a few points. It is most unfortunate that in these difficult times we have to be confronted with a situation where we have to compete with our own government. This competition has caused us considerable annoyance, not counting also a certain amount of monetary damage.

It is fully understandable that in any business such as we are engaged in you expect competition from the private sector, which is perfectly normal and acceptable, but when that competition comes from government, I don't think it is excusable.

We have drawn the attention of the government years ago that we were proceeding to do certain things, as I elaborated in the statement, and it apparently fell on deaf ears, despite the fact that

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